Author Topic: Battleships (Read 3559 times)

RTR · « **Reply #15 on:** June 27, 2007, 03:14:40 PM »

no..no..no.

Evil will always triumph over good, because good.....is dumb.

RTR

Pannono · « **Reply #16 on:** June 27, 2007, 05:37:53 PM »

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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Ermm, no. Bismarck PWNT teh Hood in it's first engagement. The crew wasn't stupid, certainly not the captain, Lutjen's was teh n00b.

And the Yamato, while having large guns, had teh suck in terms of shells.

If you want a proper BB get an Iowa-class.

yeah it did own the hood but swordfish torp planes owned it lol
they could have killed the hood and prince of wales if they had fired sooner. any1 see the dogfights episode of this? lutjens held his fire and lindemann came up and said "i will not have my ship shot out from under my ass"

yamato was ownage, they just made it too big of a target and sent it on a suicide mission where it was supposed to be sunk

we need the USS Missouri

DiabloTX · « **Reply #17 on:** June 27, 2007, 05:42:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Alpha202
man the yamato did not suck it was a masterpiece of naval warfare and so was the bismarck, the thing is as always goo always triumphs over evil so to say so it was doomed when japan joined axis and when the us navy brought their Cv borne Aircraft.

No one said it 'sucked', just said it's not as good as you think it is.

By the way, periods (.) are your friend. Use them...please.

Denholm · « **Reply #18 on:** June 27, 2007, 08:03:22 PM »

He's just testing his mileage without a fuel stop. Who knows, he may invent the next hybrid. Although I've already consumed three tank fulls of periods.

Serenity · « **Reply #19 on:** June 27, 2007, 08:43:11 PM »

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We need the Mighty MO.

Im looking at the Mo from my bedroom window right now. And my girlfriends mum works there. GREAT ship, but it never saw action. Entered the war too late. They signed the treaty on it, but it didnt take place in any real naval action.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #20 on:** June 28, 2007, 12:55:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Serenity
Im looking at the Mo from my bedroom window right now. And my girlfriends mum works there. GREAT ship, but it never saw action. Entered the war too late. They signed the treaty on it, but it didnt take place in any real naval action.

It saw plenty of action late in the war just no suface engagements. Too bad the Japs were *****-footing around with the Yamato's otherwise it would have been interesting seeing them get PWNT by the Iowa's.

Serenity · « **Reply #21 on:** June 28, 2007, 04:14:19 AM »

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Originally posted by DiabloTX
It saw plenty of action late in the war just no suface engagements. Too bad the Japs were *****-footing around with the Yamato's otherwise it would have been interesting seeing them get PWNT by the Iowa's.

Exactly. No surface engagements means no BB 63

Nilsen · « **Reply #22 on:** June 28, 2007, 05:26:49 AM »

The Bismarck was an excellent battleship, but lacked a good radar and did not have air or surface support so it was badly used. If it had faced any one of the british battleships in a 1v1 the outcome may not have been the same as it was.

Same goes for the Yamato.. airpower finished her too.

Denholm · « **Reply #23 on:** June 28, 2007, 08:23:59 AM »

Precisely.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #24 on:** June 28, 2007, 09:53:21 AM »

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Originally posted by Nilsen
The Bismarck was an excellent battleship, but lacked a good radar and did not have air or surface support so it was badly used. If it had faced any one of the british battleships in a 1v1 the outcome may not have been the same as it was.

Same goes for the Yamato.. airpower finished her too.

If the Bismarck was so good the explain why a new ship with a green crew from the PoW managed, with one shell mind you, to slow the Bismarck and significantly shorten her range AND how, with one torpedo mind you, a biplane managed to end the hunt and bring the end of this 'excellent' battleship. Bismarck was strong, robust, well built. She was not, however, all that exceptional.

The Yamato was the Japanese version of that. Large, powerful, robust, but sorely lacking in updated firecontrol, a thorough anti-aircraft suite, and was used pessimistically given her extreme cost. At least the German's sent the Bismarck out and actually got some use out of her.

The Iowa's own all.

DiabloTX · « **Reply #25 on:** June 28, 2007, 09:56:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Serenity
Exactly. No surface engagements means no BB 63

How do you figure? Just because the Japs didn't want to come out and play doesn't mean there was no BB-63. Hell, she even took a kamikaze hit.

daddog · « **Reply #26 on:** June 28, 2007, 10:41:11 AM »

Battleships would be cool.

Nilsen · « **Reply #27 on:** June 28, 2007, 10:52:25 AM »

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Originally posted by DiabloTX
If the Bismarck was so good the explain why a new ship with a green crew from the PoW managed, with one shell mind you, to slow the Bismarck and significantly shorten her range AND how, with one torpedo mind you, a biplane managed to end the hunt and bring the end of this 'excellent' battleship. Bismarck was strong, robust, well built. She was not, however, all that exceptional.

The Yamato was the Japanese version of that. Large, powerful, robust, but sorely lacking in updated firecontrol, a thorough anti-aircraft suite, and was used pessimistically given her extreme cost. At least the German's sent the Bismarck out and actually got some use out of her.

The Iowa's own all.

Luck. Had they hit any other place the history would have been different. Just look at how much crap the Tirpiz took without going down.

Just like it was luck that one shell hit the magazine of Hood.

Bismarck and Tirpiz were both excellent battleships.

Serenity · « **Reply #28 on:** June 28, 2007, 11:05:10 AM »

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Originally posted by DiabloTX
How do you figure? Just because the Japs didn't want to come out and play doesn't mean there was no BB-63. Hell, she even took a kamikaze hit.

I dont believe it should be added (Not 63 SPECIFICALLY) Because the anti-air action it saw was still limited comparitively. If you go down to the vessel in fact, tour guides, displays, and historical films on the ship itself make a point of mentioning that the "Mighty Mo was commisioned too late to take part in any real combat actions, rather proving itself post-war in the gulf conflicts".

DiabloTX · « **Reply #29 on:** June 28, 2007, 11:08:23 AM »

Luck eh? Twice in just a few days? I'm not buying it. The Tirpitz was a hard target to hit, many many missions to finally do her in and look what they used to finally sink it. No ship could have survived that. LIke I said, they were built extraordinarily tough but with inherently exposed design flaws.

The Bismarck's were good ships, awesome optical fire control but fatally flawed. The German's were STILL designing their captial ships with a screw through the keel greatly weakening the stern.

As for the luck of the hit on the Hood, RN's experience with battlecruisers at Jutland in WWI dispelled the 'luck' hit, too many met the same fate. It wasn't luck, it's called a design flaw.