Incas in Norway !

[Xargos]

Everyone knows it was ETI that transported them.  Angus is just scared that MIB might show up at his door if he told us what really happened.


P.S.  I bet Angus owns a copy of Behold a Pale Horse.

[JB73]

Originally posted by Ghosth
Yes Thor was right!

I grew up some 20 miles from where a Viking Sword was found in a farmers field.(Ulen Mn) It was of course and probably still is a big argument about it. Fake, real,  you name it. Fact remains that it, and a wealth of other evidence points to Vikings here in the middle of the country.  Viking style mooring stones have been found near streams & rivers all up & down northern Minnesota.

I believe that they made the trip in reverse that I always dreamed about making. From Hudson's bay up the Nelson river to Lake Winnipeg. Then up the Red river to Fargo ND. From here a multitude of small rivers and streams lead east and south into the Minnesota lake region. Including Ulen Mn,  the  Minnesota river is a short portage which leads right by Kensington Mn.

I think they were stuck here in mid continent and they were looking for a way back to the East Coast. I think they misjudged the size of the landmass. I also think that the way they came was horrific enough that they would not go back that way. Who knows what they lived through to get to here.

When Lewis and Clark arrived in Mandan North Dakota they heard of a tribe of pale skinned blue eyed Indians. Possible that the last survivors of the Viking expedition ended up marrying  into the local tribes?  Food for thought for sure.

Info on the Kensington Runestone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kensington_Runestone

Not much available on the Viking Sword.
http://www.answers.com/topic/ulen-sword

About Mooring stones
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf132/sf132p01.htm

Very good article describeing all of the above here.
http://www.pelicanrapidschamber.com/historyhappenedhere/myth_of_the_mooring_stones.htm

I think this explains it.

[Viking]

lol 73

[E25280]

I'm feeling too lazy right now to look it up, but I remember a relatively recent Discovery or History Channel program about Egyptian mummys being found with residue of Coca leaves in their tombs.  This opens the possibility that ancient civilizations in South America were trading with the Egyptians.

So, what of the possibility that instead of Vikings whisking away the Incan ancestors . . . they traveled there on their own, perhaps attempting to re-establish or maintain old trade routes?

[Elfie]

Originally posted by E25280
I'm feeling too lazy right now to look it up, but I remember a relatively recent Discovery or History Channel program about Egyptian mummys being found with residue of Coca leaves in their tombs.  This opens the possibility that ancient civilizations in South America were trading with the Egyptians.

So, what of the possibility that instead of Vikings whisking away the Incan ancestors . . . they traveled there on their own, perhaps attempting to re-establish or maintain old trade routes?

I'm not so sure about that.....

Europeans at least tended to look at the natives in North/South America as mere savages. Europeans tended to exploit the natives whenever it was feasible.

[Odee]

Originally posted by Angus
I know, - the Vikings would have had to be very far south, and the Incas on the "wrong" side as well, but they're still in the grave you see ... In Norway.

Maybe Aztec's, or Olmecs, Zapotecs, or evem Mextics.

[Angus]

Originally posted by Elfie
Nothing to stop them except the Mayans and Aztecs and who knows how many other tribes in between, not to mention the terrain itself. It would be a difficult journey for sure.

2 speculations:
1. What was the cultural distribution in the area at the time? After all, this is before the Incan empire.
2. Is this genetic failiure so absolutely unique to the Incas?
(guess it is)

What remains is that those skeletons were found in Norway. Somehow those peple met up with Norsemen and were brought to Norway. That means that either they were on the Atlantic side, or the Norsemen were on the pacific side.

[kamilyun]

It's funny, you find Incas buried in Norway and say that Vikings traveled to Peru.

I would say, instead, that the Incas traveled to Norway.  

Now if someone found Vikings buried in Machu Pichu....  

[Shuckins]

Machu Picchu isn't old enough.  It was constructed around the middle of the fifteenth century.

It is far more likely that the Vikings, the world's preeminent sailors in the eleventh century, traveled to the Gulf of Mexico and returned, than it is that the Incas, who are NOT known to have been a seafaring race, traveled to Norway.


The presence of the Aztecs and the Mayas in Central America would not have been an impediment to the northward wanderings of the Incas.  Pre-Columbian Indians in both North and South America traveled many thousands of miles to conduct trade with other tribes and civilizations.  It is very possible that some Incan traders traveled into Central America to trade with the Indians there, and met the long-wandering Viking explorers.

Maybe.

Regards, Shuckins

[storch]

Originally posted by kamilyun
It's funny, you find Incas buried in Norway and say that Vikings traveled to Peru.

I would say, instead, that the Incas traveled to Norway.  

Now if someone found Vikings buried in Machu Pichu....  

not likely because if the vikings had travelled into south america the natives would have killed them, ground them up bones and all into sausage and consumed them.  the natives would have been sorry later though as they would have died of indigestion.

[DiabloTX]

Does this mean they're gonna have to change the lyrics to Immigrant Song?

[Nilsen]

Originally posted by storch
not likely because if the vikings had travelled into south america the natives would have killed them, ground them up bones and all into sausage and consumed them.  the natives would have been sorry later though as they would have died of indigestion.

i think they would kick some serious inca ass

incas were just a bunch of cross-dressing trannie ladymen with as much oompf as a bunch of nuns

VIKINGS KICKS ASS!

[Ghosth]

You have to remember, a very very small band of Europeans with armor conquered everything in sight.  To the point the Aztec leader offered him a room full of gold if he'd leave. The Spanish had no problems overawing the native tribes, neither would the vikings.

While the vikings may lose a man here & there to constant sniping arrow fire from concealment.  Most tribes would simply evaporate into the forest and wait for them to leave. Like the Spanish, they were armored!

A bunch of guys in loincloths with primitive bows and stone hammers are going to go toe to toe with guys with chainmail, Helmets,  shields, swords and war axes? Remember the natives had virtual no metal anything until they started trading with the white man.

So its stone arrow heads and hammers, a few 4" stone knives vs 3' swords and War Axes.

ROFLMAO

Sorry, no contest, vikings win.

[storch]

Originally posted by Ghosth
You have to remember, a very very small band of Europeans with armor conquered everything in sight.  To the point the Aztec leader offered him a room full of gold if he'd leave. The Spanish had no problems overawing the native tribes, neither would the vikings.

While the vikings may lose a man here & there to constant sniping arrow fire from concealment.  Most tribes would simply evaporate into the forest and wait for them to leave. Like the Spanish, they were armored!

A bunch of guys in loincloths with primitive bows and stone hammers are going to go toe to toe with guys with chainmail, Helmets,  shields, swords and war axes? Remember the natives had virtual no metal anything until they started trading with the white man.

So its stone arrow heads and hammers, a few 4" stone knives vs 3' swords and War Axes.

ROFLMAO

Sorry, no contest, vikings win.

one could easily understand why the spaniards with their horses and metal armor coupled with aztec expectations concerning the arrival of quetzalcoatl set up the mighty meso-american empire for subjugation.

the vikqueens would have arrived in their gucci inspired kayaks with their long and frilly blond hair looking like an alberto Vo5 commercial.  hmmm the incas would have made sausage of them for sure.

my theory is the incas killed them vikqueens and ate them prompting the need to invent pepto-bismal tout-suite.  

in their rage at having been subjected to the previously unknown condition of indigestion they took the vikqueen kayak back to vikqueen land to punish the flamboyant and ill tasting invaders.  

upon arrival in those fetid and squalid lands, seeing the frolicking vikqueens dancing and prancing the mighty incas laughed themselves to death and were thus buried by the grateful vikqueens.

harald the flit was recorded as having stated "at leasth we got our boat back".

[Shuckins]

Reread your history Ghost.  Cortez had a LOT of help from Native American tribes in Mexico who were enemies of the Aztecs.  There were literally millions of Indians living in Mexico at that time.  Without their help, he couldn't have conquered the Aztecs.  The warlike Aztecs were awed by Spanish weaponry and horses only briefly.  The firearms of that period were inaccurate, had short range, and took a long time to reload.  If Cortez had had to rely on just his own men, he would have been overwhelmed rather quickly.

Pizarro arrived in Peru at a time when the Inca Empire was in a state of civil war.  He exploited the situation by siding with rebels bent on overthrowing the Incan ruler.  Without the aid of the rebels, Pizarro probably could not have conquered the Inca Empire.

Neither the Aztecs nor the Incas were ignorant, cowardly savages who would have been easily overawed by the Spanish.