Buffet and Taxes

[lazs2]

subaru... I can only see a point in securing the borders and running the courts.

I don't need any of the rest.   The USDA has poisoned millions... so far as I know no one has been poisoned by kosher food...  

Schools are open for debate.. if we paid less in taxes we could afford private schools but.. if we all agree that schools are a net plus then we should at least have vouchers...

I believe we should have only a consumption tax and it should be put into enterprise funds to be used only for that.

If I want to have a package delivered I will use the brown trucks.

I would have everyones tax burden reduced to about 10% of what it is now.

If these ultra left wing liberals really think that taxes are good and that the government knows best how to spend their money and ours..

The liar should be be lobbying to get rid of the charitable deduction.. he should pay full boat and let the government distribute more of his money.

lazs

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by lazs2
subaru...
1) I can only see a point in securing the borders and running the courts.

2) I don't need any of the rest.   The USDA has poisoned millions... so far as I know no one has been poisoned by kosher food...  

3) Schools are open for debate.. if we paid less in taxes we could afford private schools but.. if we all agree that schools are a net plus then we should at least have vouchers...

4) I believe we should have only a consumption tax and it should be put into enterprise funds to be used only for that.

5) If I want to have a package delivered I will use the brown trucks.

6) I would have everyones tax burden reduced to about 10% of what it is now.

7) If these ultra left wing liberals really think that taxes are good and that the government knows best how to spend their money and ours..

The liar should be be lobbying to get rid of the charitable deduction.. he should pay full boat and let the government distribute more of his money.

lazs

1) What about the military, police, firefighters, public school teachers, running the jails, etc.?

2) Please elaborate. So we don't need oversight of businesses cause we all know they have the public interest at heart when they introduce meds, food,  and products?
Yeah, things were all nice and fine before the FDA, OSHA, etc.

3) Private schools are expensive to operate let alone there are just not near enough to take the place of public schools. You think vouchers come at no cost?
Taxes fund them. Higher education cost = higher taxes.

4) Interesting. Any figures?
What percentages are we talking about?
Will this generate enough revenue to cover expenses or will we be in a deficit spending situation.

5) The USPS employs around 700,000 employees without using tax dollars. Totally self supporting. You weren't implying getting rid of them were you?

6) How did you arrive at that figure?
What if it doesn't come close to cover your new govt?
Make even further cuts or raise taxes?

Personally, I'd like to see a flat income tax for EVERYONE regardless of income level to start at 20%. I'd keep the existing business deductions until a better system comes along. I'd stop the raiding of the Social Security funds. Any excess tax revenue will go back into the Social Security Fund reserve to bring it back to the level it should be before the raiding took place back in '69 IIRC.
when that level is reached, the extra revenue surplus goes back to the tax payers as well as the flat tax rate being reduced. Also, those that did not pay into Social Security cannot benefit from it.

7) LOL, yeah, only the ultra left are responsible for our present tax and spend situation.
So, under our fairly recent Republican controlled Presidency, Congress, and Senate, we had a reduction in govt?
Reduction in spending?
No increase in deficit spending?

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Elfie

Don't start on the *you voted for them* garbage because I didn't vote for any of those scumbags. I haven't voted since the election where Bush Sr. won. I refuse to vote for any of these scumbags.

Wasn't going to.
The system has been set that no matter who goes in (Republican, Democrat, etc.,), the middle class gets the short end of the stick regarding taxation.

As I see it, bottom line is that under our present system, we have to have a certain amount of tax revenue to help run our country. Reduce the the middle class' tax rate then the upper class gets theirs increased, unless you want to cut everyone's taxes across the board which will increase the deficit.

[lazs2]

subaru...ok.. I would cut the tax burden to 10% because I think that is a good place to start with 90% of everything the government does being usless..  we can adjust from there.

private schools cost about 4-5k a year on a nationwide average... about half what public schools do.. if we were to simply offer vouchers we could cut that tax burden in half.. if we made the parents pay half of that we could reduce again.   and.. everyone would get a better education.

As I said.. I trust kosher more than the FDA... new trusted private groups would compete for our trust... we could not be worse off.

fire and police are not federal... the only federal police should be US marshals.   Teachers would be teachers.. they would just work for private schools.   Where you live would determine what kind of police and fire and other utilities you have like water, sewer and power... many of which are private now in any case.  An army is the constitutional duty of the government.. that would be funded by taxes.  courts would be as well.  these are only a tiny fraction of what we pay for with taxes.

USPS could be allowed to opperate so long as no tax money were used to prop it up... all taxes should be consumption taxes and put in seperate funds to be used only for what they were raised for.   It should take 2/3 or more of the people voting to raise any tax.

There would be no tax on income.   if you spend money you pay a tax on what you buy.   The "poor" would simply pay less... the rich more... based on what they consume or waste.

The rich you seem to feel to be noble are the ones who want everyone to pay more to grow the government so that the government can form even more agencies to protect us and redistribute our wealth and "help" people

These same rich avoid a huge amount of tax burden by giving enourmous amounts to "charity"  things they think should be funded.. they are little kings of these charities and treated like gods by the people sucking at the tit.  

What is funny is that... they avoid giving their money to the government.. they somehow think that they know better for themselves where the money is needed but for everyone else... just giving money to the government in taxes is the right thing to do.

I don't care about the rich but... schemes to make the rich pay more just hurt me.   The more money the government has the worse off everyone is.   The more they grow.   The less money the rich have to invest the worse off I am.. I don't want the government doing any "investing"

In my opinion... reducing the amount of money the government has down to 10% of what it is now would be the best thing for a free people.

Like you said... let's try that for a while.

lazs

[bj229r]

As I see it, bottom line is that under our present system, we have to have a certain amount of tax revenue to help run our country. Reduce the the middle class' tax rate then the upper class gets theirs increased, unless you want to cut everyone's taxes across the board which will increase the deficit.

EVERY tax bill for the last 10+ years has come under the moniker of 'tax cuts for the rich'-- I guess it has to be defined exactly WHAT constitutes 'rich'  The bottom 40% or so  pay hardly any income taxes at ALL at a federal level, and very soon, the majority of voters in this country won't be fiscally responsible for ANY of the taxes which thier votes direct.

State taxes..are what they are, can't do anything about that at a national level...FICA is some 15% of your paycheck (yah I know the employer 'pays' half of that, but in fact it's money YOU would have gotten. There is even noise now about the unfairness of FICA--THATS your  squealing retirement money, (hopefully not a majority of it)  and now the 'poor' are supposed to be relieved of THAT!

Here is a decent summation of current tax burdens

[eskimo2]

I can't believe he sold enough copies of Margaritaville to make him that rich...

[Elfie]

Well Bj229....we all know the Rich aren't paying their fair share, we best start lobbying our congressmen to raise their tax rates.