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Offline Cougar68

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« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2007, 12:57:47 AM »
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Umm..it's not 1975 any more, Harleys have EVERYthing rubber mounted, and in prolly 5 years, Honda will make nada to fix your bike, whereas there isnt anything I can't get for my 1962 FL (save 9 seconds in the quarter mile:rolleyes: )


I've ridden modern Harleys and while they don't rattle your brains out in the same way the old ones would, they still present some significant vibrations.  As for being able to get parts, my point was that I didn't have to, it always started.  ;)  Anyways, i won't need to get parts for it since I sold it off several years ago.  Started to get afraid of riding and that was enough for me.

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« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2007, 01:07:58 AM »
Thanks ted for the insight - I have a lot of reading up to do and deciding what to get based on how I will ride. I like the classic styling over the crotch rockets. But I do still like the BMW's. I want the capability to take longer trips and not feel like I just ran a marathon against 60mph winds. Something a bit more reliable over time since I am not an everyday mechanic, but I can do light maintenance and upkeep. Too many choices...

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« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2007, 05:44:45 AM »
Another idea is in many places ya can rent bikes for a day, good way to test drive
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« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2007, 08:48:17 AM »
I like these.  Expensive, but beautifule bikes:  (Turn your speakers down.  The site has an annoying music track)

Victory Motorcycles

I decided I couldn't afford them, so I got this last month:

Kawasaki Vulcan 900 Custom

Only $7,350 msrp, but most dealers can get it to ya for sround $6900 delivered.


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« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2007, 09:10:15 AM »
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I am 5' 9", 165lbs.  
We are the same weight and height. The ST fit like a glove so maybe it is because you are new to bikes.

I am not pushing for the Hog, but any V-twin will do.

Mav, I have 2 friends who had to lay down their BMW and some other friends who had to lay down their V-twins for one reason or another. Even the BMW with crash bars was more expensive to fix than the V-twins.

To the person who made comments about the reliability of the Hogs > I guess you never had anything to do with any of the English twins. ;)

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I have another friend who has a R75 which he calls his Nazi B!!tch. No need to go into details.

Tank humpers are not comfortable to ride over long distances.

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« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2007, 11:49:44 AM »
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If the vibrations of the Rebel turned you off you sure as heck don't need to be looking at Harley's.


Not true! The 88B Harley engine runs very smooth and the loss of power from the counterbalancing is hardly noticable.

With the addition of vibration absorbing footboards like the Fatboys have, the ride is very comfortable.

I just bought an '01 Fatboy a couple of months ago and took it on an Iron Butt ride last month, my 54 year old butt had no complaints. The only complaint I have is the range, but at my age, refueling every 150 miles or so seems to match my bladder capacity very nicely.  :P

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« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2007, 12:03:18 PM »
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I've ridden modern Harleys and while they don't rattle your brains out in the same way the old ones would, they still present some significant vibrations.  


I switched from a Suzi Volusia ,805cc water cooled shaft driven offset crank V Twin engine, and the vibration was much worse that my '01 Fatboy 88B engine. The vibration frequency of the smaller engine was much higher and that vibration transfered to the handlebars and even filling the bars with buckshot didn't dampen it enough to keep my hands from numbing out after an hour or so.

The 88B engine runs sewing machine smooth, not like a 4 banger rice burner but very smooth considering the displacement.
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« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2007, 12:17:48 PM »
"rice burner "? you are so yesterday, they are now called metric bikes.

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« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2007, 12:35:38 PM »
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"rice burner "? you are so yesterday, they are now called metric bikes.


Just showing my age, I called my '64 Yamaha YA-6 a rice burner, the term kinda stuck. Metric is just the PC way to say it which I suspect that you know considering the degree of sarcasm detected.   :D

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« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2007, 12:45:35 PM »
Recent magazine article compared Yamaha Touring bike with Harley Classic (FLHRC). Harley won hands down on the cruises and long trips. Also noted in the article was that Harley has fuel injection and the jap bike was normally aspirated. Also noted is Harley's ride was much better.

I found it very interesting, no wonder jap companies are striving to copy Harley.
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« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2007, 02:40:11 PM »
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Recent magazine article compared Yamaha Touring bike with Harley Classic (FLHRC). Harley won hands down on the cruises and long trips. Also noted in the article was that Harley has fuel injection and the jap bike was normally aspirated. Also noted is Harley's ride was much better.

I found it very interesting, no wonder jap companies are striving to copy Harley.


what magazine was that, "hogs forever"?

i think you meant the jap bike was carburetted, normally aspirated means it is not super charged or turbo charged.

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« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2007, 05:01:25 PM »
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Not true! The 88B Harley engine runs very smooth and the loss of power from the counterbalancing is hardly noticable.
 


Yeah, but an 88 Harley is a Gurls Bike!  

'05 Victory Hammer.  
LED's replaced turn signals, side mounted (and illegal in CO) plate holder, chrome kit, Stage 1, Corbin Seat.  New Vegas is similar, but I like still having a tach and wider front tire does not follow road grooves like skinny one on Vegas.  Touring bars.  Comfort Grips and Switchblade footpegs.  Older photo, as I replaced the Victory Tank Badges with "Victory" script logos.


I like most bikes, but I don't ever see myself owning a Harley; too much I don't like about them, plus I don't like doing what everybloodybody else is doing.  Aftermarket for them is pricey, initial costs too often well above recommended retail, higher insurance on average.  Bah.  

Nor a Triumph unless they truly have those electrical problems sorted out.... in fact, so long as they use Bosch instead of Nippon Denso, I'll steer clear of most European rides.  Bosch QC still sux.
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« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2007, 05:13:17 PM »
R100RS was the best sport touring bike I've ever traveled on.  I know people with 300,000 miles on their R series BMW who get the same gas milage as when they first bought it.  I once put 27,000 miles on mine in less then three months without a hint of a problem.


P.S.  R Series are also very easy to work on.
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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2007, 05:52:04 PM »
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Thanks ted for the insight - I have a lot of reading up to do and deciding what to get based on how I will ride. I like the classic styling over the crotch rockets. But I do still like the BMW's. I want the capability to take longer trips and not feel like I just ran a marathon against 60mph winds. Something a bit more reliable over time since I am not an everyday mechanic, but I can do light maintenance and upkeep. Too many choices...


Considering that; I'd have to recommend a nekid street bike (sometimes referred to as a "standard") from Japan first.  On average good reliability, cheaper to fix and service than European rides.  Even some "standards" have you leaning forward, but adjusting the handlebars is usually a very easy fix to bring your ride position up to what's comfortable for most.  Primarily, I'd suggest Susuki Bandits and SV's.  They have been a round for a while, are easily converted to touring duties, and relatively cheap and easy to maintain. 2000 Bandits (IIRC) got larger alternators added to them to handle additional power requirements for add-ons rides would mount.    

Cruisers are much more about image, and dressing one up can get more expensive than a standard motorcycle to get it right.  You can get away with more on a standard, and there are a lot of options.  Also, many of the Harley crowd won't accept you on any cruiser other than a Harley (I luvs when Harley "bikers" yell at me on my Hammer to "buy an American bike"... as if I needed another reason to avoid Hogs.....).

Of course, if you've a regular passenger, they may prefer the ride of a cruiser with a backrest, or a sportier ride found with a standard.  

Whichever way you go, a good windscreen that gets the wind off your chest will do wonders for longer rides.  I usually have mine come up to below eye (about even with my chin)  level, takes wind off my chest, but does not interfere with my vision if caught in the rain or fogs up on me while riding.  

BUT, you got Tennessee in your sig, so non-American rides may be an issue where you live and with whom you may ride with or around.  Some folks take the Harley-or-Death thing way too seriously (and I'll take Polaris Victory over them any day).  

And of course, any time you buy a used bike, do a complete service, or get a warranty from the dealer...... you are often buying someone else's problems.


If there is anyone around that rents bikes in your area, spend a weekend on types of bikes you are interested in.  Another option would be events like the Honda Hoot in your neck of the woods and sign up for demo rides.

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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2007, 07:11:42 PM »
I ride a 250 ninja I have setup for cheapass touring. It works pretty well for me and I can't afford anything else anyway.



I don't have much advice for you but I thought I'd mention a couple bikes no body else has.

1) suzuki v-strom: comes in 650 or 1000 v-twin. Smooth, reliable, versatile, light and nible enough to still be fun in the twistys. Seems to be very popular with the adventure touring crowd.

2) kawasaki Vulcan 500: Kinda like your rebel 250 but with the 500 parallel twin from the ninja. Cheap, light, smooth, reliable and still puts down 50 hp to the wheel. Has a better power to weight ratio than most mid sized cruisers.

3) ducati muti strada: Comes in a 620? or 1000cc. Slightly less powerful than the v-strom but IMO much sexier. Makes a good sport touring bike. However, matainance is a bit expensive.

I don't know anything about your skill level. However, you are coming off a sub 300lb ~20hp bike. You may or may not be ready to jump up to a 500+lb 80+hp. You may want consider something more intermediate weight and power wise.