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Offline MiloMorai

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« Reply #135 on: July 10, 2007, 03:05:05 AM »
So what kind of amphibious capability did the Soviets have? Crossing some river is not the same as crossing the open sea.
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« Reply #136 on: July 10, 2007, 03:09:27 AM »
The Soviets would definately done fine at places like IWO and Okinawa where the slack Americans were driven into the sea.:p
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« Reply #137 on: July 10, 2007, 03:48:58 AM »
Seriously, - this debate has taken place (basically) many times before with Boroda in the lead.
My eye on it is that the Soviets would have lost to the Axis if not having at least one of the western Allies in the pool. Maybe they would have lived to 1942 or 1943, but IMHO not any longer.
Biggest factor of a chain reaction is probably the British decision NOT to accept Hitler's appeal to reason in 1940.
Had they done so, well here is a possible speculation with the UK at peace with Hitler...
1 Germany now has their full strengthvs the USSR
2 Germany has trade with the USA
3 Japan has possible trade with the UK's colonies (nullifying the embargo effect from the USA, thereby eliminating the "need" of war with the USA)
4 With Germany invading the USSR, Japan becomes part of it with its full strength
5 USSR has a 2-front war
6 Axis has no war in N-Africa
7 The black Sea is open to Axis Naval power, including Japanese!
8 Axis has no attrition on the home front
9 Axis has full airpower

Would be interesting to have a scenario on this one....
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« Reply #138 on: July 10, 2007, 09:39:38 PM »
The Bomb was a prime example of 'Fear Works' .. damn right it scared Stalin, heck it scared the U.S. too.
It worked.

I've done 'wargame' re-enactments of Eastern Front ..

It's kinda fun to do some 'what if' stuff.

What if Hitler had not gone into Africa, and used Rommel's forces along with Barbarossa ..and instead of instigating tactics of surround and destroy, ..just driven to Moscow and hung Stalin on a pole?

Hitler could have.
Russia had very little to stop him.

Hitler made so many mistakes on so many levels, ..and I for one am glad he did.

He could have had 4 *thousand* ME-109's around Paris and the 8th AF would have ceased to exist trying to get past it .. and if Galland had his way .. -shudder.-

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« Reply #139 on: July 10, 2007, 10:49:25 PM »
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Hitler made so many mistakes on so many levels, ..and I for one am glad he did.


Beating Germany would have been much more difficult if Hitler had just let his Generals make the descions.


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and if Galland had his way ..


Explain please.
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« Reply #140 on: July 10, 2007, 11:29:59 PM »
The other what-if is if Hitler had never turned on the USSR, after Poland.

It might have been bad news for the Finns, immediately. I could'nt venture a guess as to what the situation in the UK would have been, either.
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« Reply #141 on: July 10, 2007, 11:58:01 PM »
Hitler lost.   What if's, etc.   Only thing yer doing is taking the heat off of the most needing it, Boroda.
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« Reply #142 on: July 11, 2007, 06:54:28 AM »
USSR was on the planning board of Hitler very early.
A part of "peace" with Britain was intended to be "world stability", i.e. Hitler actually said the the UK as a naval and colonial power could "serve well" to keep the world more stable.
In 1940, his trade with the USA was open,but the RN was in the way. He considered the war won, and was focusing on the next one. But the Brits showed him the long finger while his 109's flew on Russian gas.....
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« Reply #143 on: July 11, 2007, 11:21:09 AM »
Boroda banned or just gone numb?
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« Reply #144 on: July 11, 2007, 11:25:19 AM »
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Boroda banned or just gone numb?


Well he doesn't have Persona Non Grata below his avatard so it must be the second one. ;)
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« Reply #145 on: July 11, 2007, 11:27:56 AM »
He's probably drinking to fortify his position again. Vintage stolichnaya research no doubt into the "real" way WW2 was fought.
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« Reply #146 on: July 11, 2007, 11:34:11 AM »
You shouldn't have dropped nuclear bombs because you could have starved them to death?

Starving an entire country to avoid using nuclear weapons would have killed more people in a cruel way.  Period.  That INCLUDES radiation victims.
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« Reply #147 on: July 11, 2007, 12:20:47 PM »
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"You shouldn't have dropped nuclear bombs because you could have starved them to death?"

Starving an entire country to avoid using nuclear weapons would have killed more people in a cruel way.  Period.  That INCLUDES radiation victims.
When have we seen that the commies care about human life?
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« Reply #148 on: July 11, 2007, 12:50:46 PM »
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Boroda banned or just gone numb?


Just reading this reasonings, having fun.

BTW I suddenly discovered that bottled Lipton tea costs more then beer. Isn't it tragic: you can't save money by staying sober!
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« Reply #149 on: July 11, 2007, 12:52:46 PM »
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When have we seen that the commies care about human life?


When have we seen that "civilized" countries care about human lives?

Maybe it's time to rotate the chessboard and discuss Second Chechen War?
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