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Offline Yeager

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« on: July 03, 2007, 03:20:33 PM »
I found this artical very enlightening as it inolves debate among Japanese politicians regarding the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagaski.   It involves the resignation of a Japanese government official who gave a speech where he said the bombings saved Japan, many Japanese are very upset at this reasoning.

I happen to agree with the guy......but what does it change?  Nothing.  Just an opinion.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003772678_webjapan03.html

Good reading.
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2007, 03:27:05 PM »
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but what does it change?  Nothing.  Just an opinion.[url]


true,
it change nothing.
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« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2007, 04:33:36 PM »
If the Japanese people hear the truth, if they hear something other than the BS that they have been fed by their government, if they hear this from a Japanese government official, I think it shows a big change.  If the Japanese public could develop 10% of the understanding and ownership of their history as the Germans do it would be a step in the right direction.  Perhaps this is a step towards that.
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« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2007, 04:57:53 PM »
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If the Japanese people hear the truth, if they hear something other than the BS that they have been fed by their government, if they hear this from a Japanese government official, I think it shows a big change.  If the Japanese public could develop 10% of the understanding and ownership of their history as the Germans do it would be a step in the right direction.  Perhaps this is a step towards that.


I hope you're not serious...  Germany has pretty much taken the 4 year old girl's route to understanding the history.  They put their fingers in their ears and started screaming,"NANANANANANANANANANANANANANAN ANANA."


My only criticism of Japan is that they got burned for the first time, and are now so entirely fearful of getting burned again that they refuse to risk anything.  Because of the nuclear bombs going off, they are near extremist in their anti-violence attitude.
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« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2007, 05:44:07 PM »
hmmmmmmmmmm



So, when Abe's minister stole 5 million yen from the taxpayer, he publically protected him.

When his Minister of Health claimed that women are just baby machines, he protected him.

When the Defence Minister says a left wing comment, he gets berated by Abe and forced to resign. They are slowly weeding out the non-right wingers to make the "beautiful Japan" party.

It's just a rumor, but it has been said that the Yakuza who assasinated the Nagasaki mayor, who was a left winger and publically criticized Abe's rewriting of history, was linked to Abe.

Whether true or not, I can see that it doesn't pay to go against Abe's warped view of history.
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« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2007, 05:54:14 PM »
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Germany has pretty much taken the 4 year old girl's route to understanding the history.They put their fingers in their ears and started screaming,"NANANANANANANANANANANANANANAN ANANA."


You mean when they built a huge holocaust memorial right next to the Reichstag? I see where you are coming from.

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« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2007, 07:40:59 PM »
Here I hear in the news that poor bastard said that burning 250000 innocent people also "prevented USSR from capturing Northern Japan". And it's being said after Emperor mentioned a defeat of Kwantun Army by Soviet forces as the main reason to surrender...
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2007, 07:43:19 PM »
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 Because of the nuclear bombs going off, they are near extremist in their anti-violence attitude.


Imagine that.
A country that has actually learned the lessons of war.

Would be a near calamity if all nations and peoples started thinking that way wouldnt it?
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2007, 07:45:38 PM »
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Here I hear in the news that poor bastard said that burning 250000 innocent people also "prevented USSR from capturing Northern Japan". And it's being said after Emperor mentioned a defeat of Kwantun Army by Soviet forces as the main reason to surrender...


So why is it they didnt surrender to the soviets instead of the US?

I know they surrendered to the US cause my father in law was there at the event and witnessed it with his own eyes.
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2007, 08:12:39 PM »
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So why is it they didnt surrender to the soviets instead of the US?

I know they surrendered to the US cause my father in law was there at the event and witnessed it with his own eyes.


He was probably partially blind not to see Soviet representatives on board of Missouri in Tokyo Bay.

Japanese continental army was defeated by USSR in 2 weeks, [sarcasm] while you guys spent three years crawling upon some useless god-forgotten islands. [/sarcasm] Try to find Hirohito's adress to the nation that was played on the radio on Aug 15th 1945.

JFYI: Germans surrendered to Allied forces on May 9th, and Keitel was really surprised to see French officers there, saying "What the hell are THEY doing here?!" According to your logics - Germans surrendered to USSR, not to the Allies.
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« Reply #10 on: July 03, 2007, 08:19:17 PM »
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Imagine that.
A country that has actually learned the lessons of war.

Would be a near calamity if all nations and peoples started thinking that way wouldnt it?


The lesson was against extremism, not war.  Japan would be a real powerhouse if only they grew some testicles again.

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You mean when they built a huge holocaust memorial right next to the Reichstag? I see where you are coming from.


If you ever talk to the people, you would see the downright fear of anything patriotic or even the mere thought of nationalism.  Everyone is so afraid of being called a Nazis, that they have banned free speech, and won't even discuss what would happen or take pride in themselves.
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« Reply #11 on: July 03, 2007, 08:19:40 PM »
I don't believe the atomic bombs are all that significant in the Japanese perspective. I think their war was lost before the US dropped them. As perhaps the Defense Minister felt, the bombs may have given the Japanese an easy out from self-destruction. I think the Japanese people just moved on knowing it was not their divine destiny to rule the world and are now quite content to enjoy their niche in it.
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« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2007, 08:21:32 PM »
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I don't believe the atomic bombs are all that significant in the Japanese perspective. I think their war was lost before the US dropped them. As perhaps the Defense Minister felt, the bombs may have given the Japanese an easy out from self-destruction. I think the Japanese people just moved on knowing it was not their divine destiny to rule the world and are now quite content to enjoy their niche in it.


The bombs were the ONLY reason why Japan lost.  To say otherwise is to be ignorant of Japanese culture at that time.

If they had never dropped the bombs, Japan would have been completely destroyed down to the last little kid holding a pointy stick in defense.
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« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2007, 08:26:59 PM »
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I don't believe the atomic bombs are all that significant in the Japanese perspective. I think their war was lost before the US dropped them. As perhaps the Defense Minister felt, the bombs may have given the Japanese an easy out from self-destruction. I think the Japanese people just moved on knowing it was not their divine destiny to rule the world and are now quite content to enjoy their niche in it.


Well, if Jesus will come right down to you and tell you to do or not do something?

Emperor is a God.

His decision was vital.

For Japanese "elite" the bell rang when in Winter 1945 USSR refused to prolong the Neutrality Pact and then Soviet Foreign Affairs Ministry refused to pass Japanese peace offers to the US. And then exactly 3 months after Victory in Europe USSR smashed Japanese continental (Kwantun) army with full strength of veteran troops who marched all the way from Volga to Vienna.
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« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2007, 08:30:39 PM »
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The bombs were the ONLY reason why Japan lost.  To say otherwise is to be ignorant of Japanese culture at that time.

If they had never dropped the bombs, Japan would have been completely destroyed down to the last little kid holding a pointy stick in defense.


Read Hirohito's adress and then please make conclusions. Bombs were scary but not vital. It's obvious that Bombs were dropped to scare Stalin and keep him from wiping Western "allies" off the European continent in 1945 in a matter of weeks.

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