Don't get me wrong, I like the concept of fair play

[Widewing]

Originally posted by dedalos
A better way to say that is that got wacked by a dweeb picking off fighters from a 5" gun.  I'm in the MA almost every day.  If you get in a plane below 5K you may find me.

Why? Who cares? This is not about how good you are.  Its about making BS statements about planes.  

Bla bla bla bla.  As you said, I issued the chalenge.  It is for the DA.  What are you afraid of?  The only think I can think of that you cant go pew pew pew I got a hit with a 303 and I killed you.  What else do you have to wory about?  Either accept the chalenge or let it go.

What "BS statements" did I make about planes? The answer o' Einstein, is none.

I stated: "Most carrier fighters are disabled? Grab an SBD and have a ball. It'll gobble up almost any fighter if the pilot is silly enough to try turning with it. Ditto for the TBM. Plus, the TBM can haul 2k in bombs, and six rockets. Forget the rear guns, fly it like a fighter and enjoy the chance to humble the dweebs."

Every word is true. The SBD can turn a smaller circle than a Hurricane IIC. SBDs are fun furballers, quite able to kill fighters in turn fights.

You somehow twisted that into something else. Then again, you seem to do this quite often.

You want a straight-up duel, and state that you have no intention of turning with the SBD. Which means, you obviously agree that the SBD will own the La-7 in a turn fight.

Your words, verbatim: "The assumption that anyone would try to turn with an SBD is silly at best." So, then you agree that the SBD will gobble up most fighters that attempt to turn fight it. Words mean things, just in case you didn't know that. Clearly, you would not try to turn fight an SBD. Which means, you agree with my statement.

So, o' Master of the English language, show me one statement that is not correct. Please.

Your entire diatribe is based upon your inability to comprehend ideas in simple text.

So, how's the view from the bottom of that hole?

My regards,

Widewing

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Widewing
What "BS statements" did I make about planes? The answer o' Einstein, is none.

I stated: "Most carrier fighters are disabled? Grab an SBD and have a ball. It'll gobble up almost any fighter if the pilot is silly enough to try turning with it. Ditto for the TBM. Plus, the TBM can haul 2k in bombs, and six rockets. Forget the rear guns, fly it like a fighter and enjoy the chance to humble the dweebs."

Every word is true. The SBD can turn a smaller circle than a Hurricane IIC. SBDs are fun furballers, quite able to kill fighters in turn fights.

You somehow twisted that into something else. Then again, you seem to do this quite often.

You want a straight-up duel, and state that you have no intention of turning with the SBD. Which means, you obviously agree that the SBD will own the La-7 in a turn fight.

Your words, verbatim: "The assumption that anyone would try to turn with an SBD is silly at best." So, then you agree that the SBD will gobble up most fighters that attempt to turn fight it. Words mean things, just in case you didn't know that. Clearly, you would not try to turn fight an SBD. Which means, you agree with my statement.

So, o' Master of the English language, show me one statement that is not correct. Please.

Your entire diatribe is based upon your inability to comprehend ideas in simple text.

So, how's the view from the bottom of that hole?

My regards,

Widewing

First of all, English is not my language.  I wana see you try to explain your ideas in mine.  Second, you just repeated your BS again.  I don't know how to make this clear to you.  When people are trying to win the war and take the final bases, they are not looking to take up an SBD or TBM and furbal.  The deffenders in the LA7s (or what ever plane they are in) are not looking to furbal with TBMs or SBDs.  You understand that?  This is why your statements are BS.  My 5 year old will own anyone that tries to turn with an SBD.  What idiot would try to?  So you can gable up some idiot and therefore everyone should STFU and fly SBDs and TBMs because you said so?  lol.  At the mean time, I have to fly around the MA looking for a fight because everyone is busy on the last couple of fields.
Just be honest here.  This was another look at me I am good post from you.  Now stop yapping your mouth and show up in the DA.  Im not good, but is exactly the point.  No mater how good you are, SBD vs LA7 you will lose.

You have no busines teling anyone what to fly or when.  They have the right to ask for changes.  Not up to you to decide.  When they start talking about 5" guns and cherry picking, please do give us your input.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by dedalos
First of all, English is not my language.  I wana see you try to explain your ideas in mine.  Second, you just repeated your BS again.  I don't know how to make this clear to you.  When people are trying to win the war and take the final bases, they are not looking to take up an SBD or TBM and furbal.  The deffenders in the LA7s (or what ever plane they are in) are not looking to furbal with TBMs or SBDs.  You understand that?  This is why your statements are BS.  My 5 year old will own anyone that tries to turn with an SBD.  What idiot would try to?  So you can gable up some idiot and therefore everyone should STFU and fly SBDs and TBMs because you said so?  lol.  At the mean time, I have to fly around the MA looking for a fight because everyone is busy on the last couple of fields.
Just be honest here.  This was another look at me I am good post from you.  Now stop yapping your mouth and show up in the DA.  Im not good, but is exactly the point.  No mater how good you are, SBD vs LA7 you will lose.

You have no busines teling anyone what to fly or when.  They have the right to ask for changes.  Not up to you to decide.  When they start talking about 5" guns and cherry picking, please do give us your input.

So, you are changing your story? Now you're insisting that the SBD will gobble up an La-7 if the Lala driver attempts to turn fight with it. So, your whole premise is gone...

Now you are whining that I have some mystery power that compels people to fly what I "tell" them too.

You can capture a base with TBMs and SBDs... The TBM carries the same load as an F6F-5. Several of them can knock down hangers, and cap a field quite efficiently. Heck, I've been involved in captures where the only plane in use was the Ju 87.

Moreover, I never TOLD anyone what to fly. I suggested they grab an SBD or a TBM. Valid suggestion as the TBM or SBD is far more effective at base capture than the A6M2, because several of them can kill the FHs and VH and cap a small field.

I don't know about you, but I have no trouble getting 3-5 kills in either a TBM or an SBD. Last night, I'm flying an SBD at 2k over one of our fields. A guy in an F4U-4 shows up flying at at least 10k. He proceeds to attack me. I turn into his attack and he goes for the HO, which I avoid. I reverse into him time and time again, and dodge the HOs while working at equalizing E states as much as possible. Eventually, I get the opportunity I'm waiting for and there's one dead F4U-4.

Later, while flying a TBM, I killed an La-7 that misjudged how easy it is to gain angles with the Avenger. Later hunting fighters with it, I spot a 234 on the deck and split-s'd perfectly onto his six at 200 yards... Bye bye 234. Added three Lancasters later. Trying to sneak by on the deck, I clobbered the leader and the two drones then augered as I peppered them. Any of the "clunkers" can be fun to fly, and if you fly them to their strengths, they can be lethal. Typical of the weak-kneed planes like the SBD, you have to be very aggressive and force mistakes. My simple rule is to keep my nose pointed in the general direction of the enemy, manage my E and wait for the other guy to either move along, or make a mistake.

Now, as to the DA... Your obnoxious attitude, demanding that I do exactly as you say means that I will simply ignore you. I won't give you that satisfaction. You can always come to the TA Tuesday thru Thursday night and I'll duel your Lala with an SBD.

And your comment; "No mater how good you are, SBD vs LA7 you will lose." Don't count on that rosebud, don't count on that....

My regards,

Widewing

[CAP1]

Originally posted by DadRabit
whats fair about me not having a choice of planes?  the other country with less numbers gets to choose any plane he wants to fly.  get rid of this fair play.  we dont need it (eny).  i pay my $15 just like everyone else.  i want to be able to choose what plane i think is the best for a certain task.  please remove these restrictions on fun.  

my 2 cents

i agree.......but if we do that, we need to hide dadrabits 109 from him!!!!! or at least take away his easy button@!!!!!!!!!:O

<>dadrabit
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john

[CAP1]

Originally posted by Ghastly
But it sucks when you end up cutting your night short because all of the carrier planes are suddenly ENY'ed out, simply because you are getting close to a reset and your opponents log off.  

1)ok......here's eny again....here's what almost always happens in EW.....sides are close to even....but total numbers are low in there so eny constantly changing. need 4 bases to win the map. so our squad pulls together and we start storming bases..along with help from other knights....and YES knights DO know how to work well together:-D
so now, we've captured 3 bases...it's taken awhile as the enemy's putting up a good fun fight. but wait!!!!!! suddenly, they're defending in p38's, 109's, hurri2's...well.....any friggin aircraft they want. all we can get is bombers, spit1's hurri1's(i know some of you can kill in them)and gv's. so now that it's gotten kinda late, some of the guys helpin us had to log along with a lot of the badguys.......so now there's only 3 of us able to continue the battle to take this last base, against 5 or 6 defenders. we get crap, they get anything they want........suddenly, they go on offensive...now there's 3 of us defending in crap, against them in any plane they want,,,,we're outnumbered by guys with better equipment now, trying to defend. so if ENY is supposed to make things fair, i must be missing something here:O

There has to be a better way to accomplish whatever it is that ENY is supposed to be accomplishing.

2)yes......keep the eny thing.....but with the technology around today, i know they could have the eny react to ONLY those in flight. this way, they guys that go to bed but stay logged on for the perks when the map's won won't kill us. when the other countries have a lot log out it won't kill us.




(And no, when I signed in numbers were nearly even - and while quitting for the night before I otherwise would leaves a bitter taste in my mouth - it's better than the thought of changing to the other side and fighting against the guys I've been fighting beside for the last 3 hours.)

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john

[CAP1]

Originally posted by Sketch
I couldn't up one on Saturday night for about 20-30 minutes with eny sitting between 25-28.  Thank God for the A8 or I would have been lost!   Didn't matter, after a bit all was good and the bish got the reset... was fun overall.

Oh, the imballance was about 110 bish, 50 or so nits and 50 or so rooks.  Roughly....

oin EW one night..i can't remember the number, but the only thing i could up with foward firing guns was a ju88:O ..so i did...and just went and bombed where ever i saw the badguys....think i was pissin em off nicely too:aok
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john

[CAP1]

Originally posted by DadRabit
if that was a response to my statement fugitive.....

 wether it be an la7 for quick defence, a pony for hi alt fighting or a spit.  whatever.  let me decide.  not some fair play fomula.

dadrabit, wait!!!! you can forget the pony!!!! see my thread....cherry pickers.......according to a few, there aren't any hi alt fights!!! you're only wasting your time up there!!!!:D

<>dadrabit

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[CAP1]

Originally posted by Meatwad
Easiest fix is to disable the ENY rule

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHORTEST ANSWER, and the most sensible one too!!:aok

who else agrees?

[Ghastly]

Originally posted by CAP1
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SHORTEST ANSWER, and the most sensible one too!!:aok

who else agrees?

Not me.  I don't want to see it go, I just would like for it to work better than it does at what (I believe) it was intended to accomplish, with less side effects such as the one that caused me to start this thread.

However, after sitting down to design a locally applied ENY system, I realized that applying it locally simply won't work right unless a LOT of work goes into coding it - as soon as you shut off the other sides supply of vehicles through destroying the hangers or even through capping the field, you begin to shut off your OWN SUPPLY too as you drive the local ENY through the roof.

So for now, I'll reluctantly agree that until someone comes up with a nifty outside the box solution, the current system may be the best available.

[CAP1]

Originally posted by Widewing
Which guys? The Trainers? I don't know of one Trainer who flies like that in the MA. They can usually be found down in the weeds.

My regards,

Widewing

well, i hafta say......virtually ANY time i've EVER seen any trainers in the MA's, they've been in the middle of some of the biggest furballs on the map.

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john

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Widewing
So, you are changing your story? Now you're insisting that the SBD will gobble up an La-7 if the Lala driver attempts to turn fight with it. So, your whole premise is gone...

you are killing me lol.  Yes, so will a stuka. That does not mean anyone will chose to turn with the SBD.  There is no reason.  Unlike you, I kept in mind the context of the conversation.  You are talking about taking and defending a base.  You really think a deffender in a lala wil try to turn?  He cant!!!! He will be picked by the rest of the horde.  Thats why he is o a lala to begin with.  You told people to use those planes instead of complaining about ENY.  They cannot be used to take a base deffended by LA7s no mater what you say

Now you are whining that I have some mystery power that compels people to fly what I "tell" them too.

lol, not agreeing with you so it must be a whine lol.  No sir, you don't have any power what so ever over anyone in here.  Thats why you should stop telling them what to fly.  In a way though, you are right.  You did not post to tell them what to do or help the argument.  You posted to tell everyone how good you are in those planes lol.

You can capture a base with TBMs and SBDs... The TBM carries the same load as an F6F-5. Several of them can knock down hangers, and cap a field quite efficiently. Heck, I've been involved in captures where the only plane in use was the Ju 87.

Yes, it can be done.  Can you do it when only 4 bases are left and everyone is deffending them?  Nop.  Anyone can capture an undefended pase in anything.

Moreover, I never TOLD anyone what to fly. I suggested they grab an SBD or a TBM. Valid suggestion as the TBM or SBD is far more effective at base capture than the A6M2, because several of them can kill the FHs and VH and cap a small field.

Not if there are defenders.  Heave SBD or TBM will never see the field.  

I don't know about you, but I have no trouble getting 3-5 kills in either a TBM or an SBD. Last night, I'm flying an SBD at 2k over one of our fields. A guy in an F4U-4 shows up flying at at least 10k. He proceeds to attack me. I turn into his attack and he goes for the HO, which I avoid. I reverse into him time and time again, and dodge the HOs while working at equalizing E states as much as possible. Eventually, I get the opportunity I'm waiting for and there's one dead F4U-4.

Later, while flying a TBM, I killed an La-7 that misjudged how easy it is to gain angles with the Avenger. Later hunting fighters with it, I spot a 234 on the deck and split-s'd perfectly onto his six at 200 yards... Bye bye 234. Added three Lancasters later. Trying to sneak by on the deck, I clobbered the leader and the two drones then augered as I peppered them. Any of the "clunkers" can be fun to fly, and if you fly them to their strengths, they can be lethal. Typical of the weak-kneed planes like the SBD, you have to be very aggressive and force mistakes. My simple rule is to keep my nose pointed in the general direction of the enemy, manage my E and wait for the other guy to either move along, or make a mistake.

More of a look at me I am good crap.  No one cares.  maybe you can do it maybe you cant.  That does not mean that everyone else can or should have to do it that way.  Why don't you start a thread about "Hey, what do you guys think about the SBD?  I am really good in it but I wonder what the rest of the comunity has to say about them.  BTW, did I mention how good I am?" lol

Now, as to the DA... Your obnoxious attitude, demanding that I do exactly as you say means that I will simply ignore you. I won't give you that satisfaction. You can always come to the TA Tuesday thru Thursday night and I'll duel your Lala with an SBD.

Well, why not?  Why do I have to do as you say?  I chalened you.  You either accept or STFU.  I was there last night by theway.  TA is BS for fights like that.  You don't know when get killed and from what I can gather, you will spray from 1K out and see one hit sprite and call it a kill, lol.  DA will leave no questions.  That may be why you don't want to do it there ehhh?  And don't tell me you are busy.  If you have time for the MA you have time for a 5 min duel.

And your comment; "No mater how good you are, SBD vs LA7 you will lose." Don't count on that rosebud, don't count on that....

lol.  You really think you are that good ehh?  If you ahd any brains you'd know better than to make that statement.  Maybe you are used to killing newbs in the TA.  I'm not talking about them.  Think about what you said up there.  Now, that is obnoxious lol

[Widewing]

Originally posted by dedalos

Well, why not?  Why do I have to do as you say?  I chalened you.  You either accept or STFU.  I was there last night by theway.  TA is BS for fights like that.  You don't know when get killed and from what I can gather, you will spray from 1K out and see one hit sprite and call it a kill, lol.  DA will leave no questions.  That may be why you don't want to do it there ehhh?  And don't tell me you are busy.  If you have time for the MA you have time for a 5 min duel.

What I don't have time for is an arrogant butthead...

I think it comes down to one simple thing... You're just afraid.

Have a nice evening.

My regards,

Widewing

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Widewing
What I don't have time for is an arrogant butthead...

I think it comes down to one simple thing... You're just afraid.

Have a nice evening.

My regards,

Widewing

The only thing I am afraid of is you not being honest about the fight. Thats why I said DA. But hey, you refuse to go there so I am the one running scared  I bet you if I cam in the TA you will tell me you are busy with your obligations and make me wait for an hour or until I leave.  Then you ll come in here and tell everyone I run away lol.  You want a 'fair' fight, DA is the place.  You want to have a way out of your pwnage, TA is the place, lol

In any case, I did pop in to the TA.  Within seconds I heared a guy telling Batfink "There, you just died.  You crossed my sights"  I almost died laughing.

[VonMessa]

Originally posted by Scca
I am far from uber in the game, but I fly the FM2 and spit IX a lot, so eny doesn't often effect me.

Try to fly something with high eny and get good at it.

Scca!

     You have burned me more than once in each of those rides.  Learn to fly less "uber" rides.  Not having a "plan b" is asinine.



-Von

[dedalos]

Originally posted by VonMessa
Scca!

     You have burned me more than once in each of those rides.  Learn to fly less "uber" rides.  Not having a "plan b" is asinine.



-Von

Its not about learning or wanting to fly other rides.  Its about puting an end to the madnes of the last few bases and reseting the map so we can all play again.

Spit IX is an uber ride btw