Author Topic: Russian Navy - Secrets of the Kursk (Read 3009 times)

ghi · « **on:** July 04, 2007, 12:46:23 PM »

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5c4_1175608994

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #1 on:** July 04, 2007, 01:05:58 PM »

That was interesting-particularly, If what's said is true. It would be really inflammatory.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #2 on:** July 04, 2007, 01:35:59 PM »

1905!!!!!!

MORAY37 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 04, 2007, 01:47:14 PM »

Very interesting vid. The Russians came close to saying exactly what this video concludes. It's always been very shaded over, since the explosion was localized in the torpedo room...and detonating torpedoes is very very difficult unless there is a large explosion caused close by... torpedoes are stored in "safe" mode, and are set to run a predetermined distance before the warhead even arms, to prevent fratricide.

Hortlund · « **Reply #4 on:** July 04, 2007, 01:59:28 PM »

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Originally posted by MORAY37
Very interesting vid. The Russians came close to saying exactly what this video concludes. It's always been very shaded over, since the explosion was localized in the torpedo room...and detonating torpedoes is very very difficult unless there is a large explosion caused close by... torpedoes are stored in "safe" mode, and are set to run a predetermined distance before the warhead even arms, to prevent fratricide.

LOL what are you kidding? The warheads might be "safe" as you put it, but the actual torpedoes sure as hell are not. Few things are as prone to exploding as torpedo propellants.

john9001 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 04, 2007, 02:10:50 PM »

so the "invincible" kursk was sunk by a inferior american sub.
Just for the record every russian sub is shadowed by a american hunter killer sub, make the wrong move you die.

Hortlund · « **Reply #6 on:** July 04, 2007, 02:13:43 PM »

I just saw the film. What unbelievable crap.

"the soviet captain could have released the air ballast to rise to the surface"
...the air ballast?

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #7 on:** July 04, 2007, 02:17:15 PM »

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Originally posted by john9001
so the "invincible" kursk was sunk by a inferior american sub.
Just for the record every russian sub is shadowed by a american hunter killer sub, make the wrong move you die.

Or that's what hollywood/ministry of information wants you to think. Really John are you an adult?

On topic: official studies say the outdated practise torpedoes had a known problem with the volatile fuel and leaks. Water is a catalyst to the fuel. Fuel leak + condensed water in the torpedo tube -> explosion.

And yes, there's something very russian in risking a billion dollar sub and 200 crew by stocking the sub with over stock dangerous old training torpedoes. Just like having 3 out of 4 safety systems inoperable and simulating a system error with the last remaining one on a nuclear reactor in Chernobyl.

john9001 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 04, 2007, 02:21:22 PM »

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Really John are you an adult?

really mr ripley, that sounds like a personal attack.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #9 on:** July 04, 2007, 02:23:08 PM »

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really mr ripley, that sounds like a personal attack.

Really? I wouldn't be surprised. Your ultra naive oneliners give a reason to ask the above question.

Elfie · « **Reply #10 on:** July 04, 2007, 02:38:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
I just saw the film. What unbelievable crap.

"the soviet captain could have released the air ballast to rise to the surface"
...the air ballast?

I think he was talking about releasing the compressed air to clear the water in the ballast tanks so the sub could surface.

Hortlund · « **Reply #11 on:** July 04, 2007, 02:41:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Elfie
I think he was talking about releasing the compressed air to clear the water in the ballast tanks so the sub could surface.

Yeah, that would actually make sense since that is how a submarine works.

But he didnt...

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 04, 2007, 03:22:09 PM »

Mr. Ripley, according to the film, the torpedoes weren't old training torps.

They are a new, sophisticated High-speed underwater ASW rocket.

Apparantly, up for sale to the Chinese, as well.

I could see why Intel services would be interested in seeing such a weapon test-fired. It will change submarine warfare quite a bit. As to the suspected collision, and an American sub torpedoeing a Russian craft in response, seem pure Hypothesizing on the part of the film's makers. That would have been an act of war, That I'm sure the Kremlin would have made lot's of noise over.

Elfie · « **Reply #13 on:** July 04, 2007, 03:32:38 PM »

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Originally posted by Hortlund
Yeah, that would actually make sense since that is how a submarine works.

But he didnt...

No, he didn't say it correctly, but I think he meant what I described.

Elfie · « **Reply #14 on:** July 04, 2007, 03:36:03 PM »

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I could see why Intel services would be interested in seeing such a weapon test-fired. It will change submarine warfare quite a bit. As to the suspected collision, and an American sub torpedoeing a Russian craft in response, seem pure Hypothesizing on the part of the film's makers. That would have been an act of war, That I'm sure the Kremlin would have made lot's of noise over.

If an American sub had fired a torpedo at the Kursk, every ship in that exercise would have heard the torpedo firing on their sonar. In those shallow waters the American sub probably wouldn't have escaped the wrath of the Russian surface ships.