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Offline JB73

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I've been following this story a bit...
« on: July 11, 2007, 12:55:41 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070710/ap_on_re_us/gang_rape

I wonder if any of you have seen or heard about it...

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WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. - Mother and son huddled together, battered and beaten, in the bathroom � sobbing, wondering why no one came to help. Surely the neighbors had heard their screams. The walls are thin, the screen doors flimsy in this violence-plagued housing project on the edge of downtown.

For three hours, the pair say, they endured sheer terror as the 35-year-old Haitian immigrant was raped and sodomized by up to 10 masked teenagers and her 12-year-old son was beaten in another room.

Then, mother and son were reunited to endure the unspeakable: At gunpoint, the woman was forced to perform oral sex on the boy, she later told a TV station.

Afterward, they were doused with household cleansers, perhaps in a haphazard attempt to scrub the crime scene, or maybe simply to torture the victims even more. The solutions burned the boy's eyes.

The thugs then fled, taking with them a couple of hundred dollars' worth of cash, jewelry and cell phones.

In the interview with WPTV, the mother described how she and her son sobbed in the bathroom, too shocked to move. Then, in the dark of night, they walked a mile to the hospital because they had no phone to call for help.

Two teenagers � a 14-year-old and a 16-year-old � have been arrested. Eight others are being sought.

Welcome to Dunbar Village, a place residents call hell.

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"So a lady was raped. Big deal," resident Paticiea Matlock said with disgust. "There's too much other crime happening here."

Built in 1940 to house poor blacks in then-segregated West Palm Beach, Dunbar Village's 226 units sit just blocks from million-dollar condos on the Intracoastal Waterway. Billionaires lounge on beachfront property just a few miles away on Palm Beach.

The public housing project's one- and two-story barracks-style buildings are spread across 17 grassy, tree-lined acres surrounded by an 8-foot iron fence. The average rent is about $150 a month.

Almost 60 percent of the households in the area that includes Dunbar Village were below the poverty level in 2000, according to Census figures. Only 19 percent of the area's residents had high school degrees. About 9 percent of the adults were unemployed, nearly triple the state average.

Teenagers with gold-plated teeth wander the streets. Drug dealers hang out on nearby sidewalks. Trash bin lids are open. Flies hover over dirty diapers. Clothes dry on sagging lines.

Since the June 18 attack, police have increased patrols in the area, blocked off one entrance and will soon install surveillance cameras.

"It took this to make that happen?" Matlock, a 32-year-old single mother of three, snarled.

As in other blighted neighborhoods across the country where criminals seem to have free rein, residents here live in fear. Snitches get stitches, they say. Or worse.

"I try to be in my house no later than 7, and I don't come out," said Citoya Greenwood, 33, who lives in Dunbar with her 4-year-old daughter. "I don't even answer my door anymore." On the Fourth of July, "we didn't know if we was hearing gunshots or fireworks."

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Avion Lawson, 14, and Nathan Walker, 16, will be charged as adults in the assault and gang rape, prosecutors said. They are jailed without bail.

Lawson's DNA was found in a condom at the crime scene, and he admitted involvement, authorities say. Police say Walker's palm print was discovered inside the home. He denies being there. His attorney says he will plead not guilty. Lawson's public defender did not return telephone messages.

Walker and Lawson did not live at Dunbar but visited often. Lawson stayed with his grandmother there. Walker came to hang out and play basketball. Dunbar has become the place to be for wayward black teens, residents and neighborhood kids say.

Walker and Lawson both grew up mostly fatherless, bouncing between homes. Walker's family sometimes lived in old cars or abandoned houses, said his mother, Ruby Nell Walker.

"We've never really had a real home," said Naporcha Walker, Nathan's 15-year-old sister.

He dropped out of school after spending three years in seventh grade. The family lives on food stamps and recently had to pawn their television and radio, Ruby Walker said.

"I just feel like he was at the wrong place at the wrong time. ... My son is not a rapist," she said.

Ruby Walker said she herself was raped twice, at ages 7 and 12. She said that just days before the Dunbar attack, someone tried to rape her again, and "my son came to me crying and said he wouldn't ever do that to anyone."

She has had her own problems with the law � at least nine arrests on charges such as disorderly conduct, aggravated assault and battery, according to state records.


Avion Lawson was a headstrong kid, never listening to his mother, said his cousin, Cassandra Ellis.

"I knew he was bad, but I never pictured him to be that type of bad," Ellis said. She said one traumatic experience may have scarred him � watching his older sister fatally stab a boyfriend.

"It was an accident. She killed her boyfriend. They was fighting, there was a knife," Ellis said. "He was there when it happened."

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City officials are quick to note that neither Lawson nor Walker lived at Dunbar, and say they are doing their best to make the place safe.

As quickly as overhead lights can be replaced, they are shot out, so officials are now considering bulletproof lighting.

"Isn't that quite a commentary on what the situation is there?" said City Commissioner Molly Douglas, whose district includes part of Dunbar. "Dunbar Village is a hell hole. They shouldn't have to live in fear."

More officers are hitting the streets, but "I just bow my head sometimes and think we just couldn't possibly have enough officers ever to take care of all of this," Douglas said.

Laurel Robinson, head of the city's housing authority, said that up until about four years ago, the federal government provided the city with $160,000 a year for security in public housing projects, but Congress did away with the money.

"Every family housing project in the country has suffered because of it," she said.

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The rape victim and her son have not returned to their apartment since the attack.

The woman fled Port-au-Prince, Haiti, with her son seven years ago in search of a better life. With no money, they landed in Dunbar. The two almost instantly became targets for crime, standing out as Haitians among the mostly American-born blacks in the housing project. Her car and the boy's bicycle were stolen. Their house was ransacked.

On the night of the attack, she was lured outside by a teenager who knocked on the door and said her car had a flat. Nine more teens, their faces shrouded with T-shirts, barged in, she told authorities. They brandished guns and demanded money, then went beyond the imaginable.

"I was so scared," the woman told WPTV. "Some of them had sex with me twice, some of them had sex with me three times. They're beating me up. They make me do those things over and over. The man with the big gun, he put the gun inside of me."

She said that when she was forced to perform oral sex on her own son, she told the boy: "I know you love me, and I love you, too."

Investigators say it is not clear exactly why the thugs picked her house.

The boy's sight has returned. Both mother and son are seeking counseling.

"I have to try and talk to him every day. He's so angry," the woman said. "He said we never should have moved to Dunbar Village."


I have highlighted a few points of my interest in the story.. though I will guess not many here saw the story first pop up a few days ago. Now that more is coming into light there is alot to discuss, and in my opinion alot of questions about society and life.

Things that pops out in my mind relate to "upbringing" and "environment" and in all honesty how it is, has, and will be used as an excuse for criminal behavior.

In my small mind race is "out the door" on something like this, I really question how 1 human would interact with another human.... but then the old race card pops up in the story.

There are many disturbing mental images in this entire saga, and many questions come to mind: one of them is "if this happens every day with both WHITE and NON-WHITE" why is it rarely if never mentioned in national news? I would honestly like to see statistics and information on things like this in America on whites, for the sole purpose to ease my mind that I don't make race assumptions....

The problem is I have never seen anyone even report the similarities OR differences in reported crimes here, on the news, in the paper, or wherever.



I am torn by the thought that the "media bias" just reports the "black crime" to perpetuate the segregation of America, and the reality of no true figures ever brought forth to prove OR dis-prove the relation of violent crimes between races.



Yes this is a horrible story, and I am saddened to hear about this in any situation. It just provoked my thoughts on the matter in a grand sense, beyond what happened, and the "underlying" problems.

what do you think / feel?
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2007, 04:12:42 AM »
people who sit idly by, or go into their houses before 7 and stay in are just as much a part of the problem as the thugs that roam in the absence of those who might otherwise be righteous.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2007, 04:26:19 AM »
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what do you think / feel?


When I first read this a couple days ago I felt there were 10 folks in immediate need of a .45 to the back of the head.

Now that I think about it rationally a .25 to the belly and slow agonizing death would be much more appropriate.

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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2007, 05:31:08 AM »
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When I first read this a couple days ago I felt there were 10 folks in immediate need of a .45 to the back of the head.

Now that I think about it rationally a .25 to the belly and slow agonizing death would be much more appropriate.


Then why don't you do so? If you think it's appropriate.

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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2007, 06:04:15 AM »
Many reasons.

1. They are about 1000 miles away.

2. Only 2 of them have been caught, the other 8 are unknown, at least to me.

3. The law does protect these peoples rights, whether they deserve it or not,        and I'm not about to do a life bid over these scumbags.

4. I don't personally own a .25, but I guess my Ruger single six with .22 mag hollowpoints would do.

Nice troll BTW.

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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2007, 07:42:55 AM »
Not a troll at all, just an observation. For a people that has a saying about "talking" and "walking", you sure talk a lot. I don't see much walking though.

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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2007, 07:46:05 AM »
Don't forget Viking, we have a saying too, "tongue in cheek".
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2007, 07:48:10 AM »
That's true...

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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2007, 07:54:21 AM »
"There are many disturbing mental images in this entire saga, and many questions come to mind: one of them is "if this happens every day with both WHITE and NON-WHITE" why is it rarely if never mentioned in national news? I would honestly like to see statistics and information on things like this in America on whites, for the sole purpose to ease my mind that I don't make race assumptions...."

I don't read about this type of crime every day from either race.

What about Dalmer?  He ate his victims after doing who knows what to them.  What about Paul Bernardo and Karla Holmolka in Canada?  They toutured and killed two girls...all white, even the victims.

There are lots of examples.
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2007, 08:05:00 AM »
people like those in the story exist.   You can fight back or you can be a victim.  I am pretty sure that given a "do over" the mother or son would want to have a firearm and have taken the training to use it properly... seems that they had a cell phone.. it was useless.

I can say for certain that I would not have been in that building.  Why would I?  But if I were....

I can say for certain that I would have helped.   I might be the one in trouble now but...  the rapists mom would be the one doing the weeping.   Maybe not...

 Maybe they are the exception in gangbanger marksmen and I would be dead.. maybe they would get lucky.. nothing is ever certain about the outcome of a fight.

You can't leave race out of it in one respect tho... I would not be in that neighborhood.  

Another thing you can count on is that they will spill out to your neighborhood.   When they do... If you are unlucky enough to be their victim...you won't be treated any better... probly worse.  

You can pretend they don't exist and that there is no need for the second amendment and they can be selling your useless cell phone while your family makes funeral arrangements.

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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2007, 08:09:24 AM »
They should use that $160,000 to buy all of the residents without criminal records handguns, CHLs, and some glazer safety rounds.

A .45 slug in the chest stops rape in a hurry.

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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2007, 08:13:20 AM »
$150 a month rent, does that include utilities?

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Originally posted by JB73
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070710/ap_on_re_us/gang_rape

I wonder if any of you have seen or heard about it...



I have highlighted a few points of my interest in the story.. though I will guess not many here saw the story first pop up a few days ago. Now that more is coming into light there is alot to discuss, and in my opinion alot of questions about society and life.

Things that pops out in my mind relate to "upbringing" and "environment" and in all honesty how it is, has, and will be used as an excuse for criminal behavior.

In my small mind race is "out the door" on something like this, I really question how 1 human would interact with another human.... but then the old race card pops up in the story.

There are many disturbing mental images in this entire saga, and many questions come to mind: one of them is "if this happens every day with both WHITE and NON-WHITE" why is it rarely if never mentioned in national news? I would honestly like to see statistics and information on things like this in America on whites, for the sole purpose to ease my mind that I don't make race assumptions....

The problem is I have never seen anyone even report the similarities OR differences in reported crimes here, on the news, in the paper, or wherever.



I am torn by the thought that the "media bias" just reports the "black crime" to perpetuate the segregation of America, and the reality of no true figures ever brought forth to prove OR dis-prove the relation of violent crimes between races.



Yes this is a horrible story, and I am saddened to hear about this in any situation. It just provoked my thoughts on the matter in a grand sense, beyond what happened, and the "underlying" problems.

what do you think / feel?
rwanda, uganda, sudan, the congo, kenya during the mau mau revolts etc.  you needn't look to african only haiti is known for it's savagery between members of opposing political factions.  while no one race holds the crown for brutality, africans have shown repeatedly how to truly be barbaric.  that's not to say the rest of humanity is too far behind though, merely that africans are the clear winners in that category.

I know dunbar village you don't want to go there let alone live there but it's no worse than many rooseveltian communities set up to house blacks during the 1940s.  we can thank mr roosevelt for liberty city here which is home to similar conditions and atrocities from time to time.

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2007, 08:53:53 AM »
Yes, this proves black people are barbaric.

Of course you'd have to ignore the mass killings and torture committed by the Nazis and Soviets, by Asians with respect to the Japanese during the war or Cambodians who slaughtered 1/3 of their own population under Pol Pot, or more recently the Christian attrocities that occured in Bosnia.
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2007, 08:57:00 AM »
I guess you suffer from selective reading disability.  this must have been brought about by wearing your shortened trousers up high just below your nipples and cinching the belt too tightly.  loosen the belt some it will help you breathe better.