Are CV's Too Strong

[kilz]

Originally posted by LYNX
You are inferring that HEAVY bombers had a roll in this.  No heavy level bomber ever hit a CV on the open sea.

you added the word HEAVY, i didnt. I simply stated that bombers not heavy bombers hit cvs.

now after finding what i read sometime ago i found it said that bombers dropped on CVs and attack fighters finished off the boat.

and when i am sober enough to post a link here i will.

[kilz]

Originally posted by LYNX
Yes we all know in real life CV's were sunk with much less ords than 8k but this is a game where fleets have to come close to shore.  Where there is no CV top cover most of the time because of the pressures to take a base.  None of which happened in real life.

this sir i would have to say i agree on  

[bj229r]

I don't think Japs had any cv-based planes which could do level bombing

(I'm also thinking there was a famous case of an Italian cruiser or something sunk by Allied buff?)

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Slash27
it was a joke

Heh,  my sarcasm meter broke when I read that post.

Bronk

[Bronk]

Originally posted by bj229r
I don't think Japs had any cv-based planes which could do level bombing
 

B5n?


Bronk

[whels]

here are a few things HT could do to/for CV/Fleets.

1. make the CV and hvy Cruiser ships them selves impervious
to airplane gun fire, its rediculous to have planes straff sink
the bigger capital ships.  but allow  gun fire to kill the 20mm
and other low calibure AA. 5" guns should only be killed with
bombs or rockets.

2.  we need AP Bombs. ships like Cruisers and CVs  should take
say 8k in AP bombs (costing perks per bomb) (cause they were special
purpose, not general use). if u want to use HE bombs (free) then up required LBs to like 24k.  AP bombs would make planes that attacked
ships in RL more useable.


3.  remove the Cruiser and make it a Battleship 4k or 6k to sink)
add into fleet spawn able GV section light Cruisers, so u can spawn them like we do PTs now (in fleetsonly). maybe have a way to limit the # spawned at 1 time per fleet (3 or 4), when 1 dies another can be spawned and guns manned.  the light Cruisers can go close to shore to bombard from close in, while the CV and BB can stay farther out .

4. add troops ships to fleet, kill those, no troop LVTs. kinda extremely gamey to sink the CV and Cruiser and still see floods of LVTs spawing till
fleet respawns.

[kilz]

Originally posted by bj229r
I don't think Japs had any cv-based planes which could do level bombing

(I'm also thinking there was a famous case of an Italian cruiser or something sunk by Allied buff?)

B5N

[Grits]

Originally posted by LTARkilz
not trying to question you statement but can you show me where it says this. everything i have read so far has been bombers didnt say anything about dive bombers. like i said not questioning your statement i would just like to read up on it if you know where it says diffrent.

The Battle of Coral Sea is famous because it is the first battle where two fleets never saw each other, all combat was conducted by seaborne aircraft of the two fleets. There may have been some land based patrol aircraft involved, but no attack aircraft of any type were land based. Any book on the Coral Sea will cover that.

Yes, the B5N could level bomb, but they didnt at Coral Sea or any other battle at sea, only at Pear Harbor. The B5Ns were only armed with torpedoes at Coral Sea, the Vals (dive bombers) did all the bomb dropping. Again, any good book or intardnet page on Coral Sea will cover that.

The only Capital ships damaged while underway by level bombers were HMS Repulse and HMS Prince of Whales, and even they only sank when they were hit  by multiple torpedoes.

So, basically, you have Pearl Harbor (multiple BBs at anchor), and Tirpitz (BB at anchor) as the only Capital ships actually sunk solely by level bombers and all of those were at anchor, not under way.

[Gwjr2]

Originally posted by crockett
I rarely ever have issues sinking a CV if I hit it. I normally never use Lancaster's and normally never use all the bombs. Hell I even sunk a CV using a 110 with heavy gun package and rockets. It was already damaged, but I'm not sure how bad.

Personally I think the fact it's so easy to kill a CV by level bombing is a little lame. I can't think of any time in WW2 that a CV or ship was killed by level bombers.

well heres a time very rare to be sunk though.


On 24 August 1942, as the Japanese made their first major attempt to recapture Guadalcanal, Mutuski (DD-25) briefly bombarded U.S. Marine Corps' positions at Henderson Field. The next day, she went alongside the disabled transport Kinryu Maru to rescue that ship's crew and troops. While so immobilized, a formation of U.S. B-17 bombers appeared. Aware of the poor accuracy of high-level bombing, the destroyer's captain elected to continue his rescue efforts. However, in a rare event, the bombers scored well and Mutuski was sunk. Her captain, hauled from the water with his ship's other surviving crewmen, is said to have remarked "even the B-17s could make a hit once in a while!"