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Offline RAIDER14

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« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2007, 02:27:28 AM »
careful Elfie don't wanna attract  Boroda here:D

Russians realized fall out from all the nukes would kill them even if they killed the  Americans and other enemies first
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« Reply #31 on: July 15, 2007, 02:36:08 AM »
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careful Elfie don't wanna attract  Boroda here:D

Russians realized fall out from all the nukes would kill them even if they killed the  Americans and other enemies first


I think I see what you are trying to say, that IF the Cold War had gone hot, it would have been a no win situation. That's true if it had gone nuclear. If it had stayed conventional then who knows which side would have won? :)
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« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2007, 02:42:37 AM »
Nuke war = both sides lose.

In a conventional war it would depend on the objectives.
In a classic scenario the russians would overrun europe and the war would last for as many days as it would take for the russians and americans to agree that russia keeps europe.
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« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2007, 03:03:28 AM »
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Nuke war = both sides lose.

In a conventional war it would depend on the objectives.
In a classic scenario the russians would overrun europe and the war would last for as many days as it would take for the russians and americans to agree that russia keeps europe.


Nuclear war = the whole world loses, not just the USA and USSR.

Conventional war would not only depend on what the objectives were, but also on how fast the US and Great Britain could get reinforcements to the battle field.

Three of the four Phantom squadrons at Seymour Johnson AFB were dedicated to reinforcing Europe. They had a commitment to be able to pack up spare parts, tools, technical manuals etc, configure the planes for a cross-atlantic flight, then unpack and reconfigure the planes for combat missions and actually flying combat missions within 72 hours. We practiced this stuff over and over and over until it just about made you want to puke even hearing about it.

The US military had lots of equipment prepositioned in Europe as well (I think they still do) to make the process even faster.

I'm just glad we never had to find out which side would have won a conventional war. Regardless of who would have won, casualties on both sides would have been terrible.
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« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2007, 03:08:07 AM »
here we dont "wing with enemy the go poof"


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« Reply #35 on: July 15, 2007, 03:12:33 AM »
It would also depend on how much the russians could prepare before NATO would figure out they were getting ready.

Yes, there has been and there still is ALOT of US equipment prepositioned in Norway and europe. Most of the artillery and trucks were taken from those stockpiles when GW2 was started but it is supposed to be returned. In theory US forces could just fly in troops and their equipment would be ready for them.

All the equipment is in prime condition and is stored in perfect conditions in huge mountain storage facilities and norwegian mechanics and service men are maintaining it.

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Prolly very dated but here you can read about it http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/nalmeb.htm
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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2007, 04:58:57 AM »
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It would also depend on how much the russians could prepare before NATO would figure out they were getting ready.


Very true. If the USSR had wanted to be sneaky about it, they would have had normal, scheduled maneuvers as part of the deception plan to give themselves more time to build up troops and equipment before NATO caught on.

Interesting link too, thanks :)
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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2007, 05:00:30 AM »
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here we dont "wing with enemy the go poof"


:rofl


It's not actually *winging*, but I think you knew that. ;)

I can also understand why Israel would be less likely to escort an enemy along it's borders.
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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2007, 05:06:29 AM »
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Very true. If the USSR had wanted to be sneaky about it, they would have had normal, scheduled maneuvers as part of the deception plan to give themselves more time to build up troops and equipment before NATO caught on.

Interesting link too, thanks :)


We have all read Red Storm Rising :D

Its my favorite book. Ive later found out after hearing him on tv that mr Clancy himslef is a tool but he has written some excellent stuff.
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« Reply #39 on: July 15, 2007, 05:09:37 AM »
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We have all read Red Storm Rising


I've read that, in fact it was what I was thinking of when I posted that, just couldn't recall the name of the book. Good book too. :)
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« Reply #40 on: July 15, 2007, 05:12:39 AM »
Have you read The Bear And The Dragon? Not as much war action as Red Storm, but its still good.
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« Reply #41 on: July 15, 2007, 07:34:10 AM »
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Have you read The Bear And The Dragon? Not as much war action as Red Storm, but its still good.


How I hated that book. Ive always read and enjoyed Clancy. Up until that one. Suddenly all the americans were supermen, and all the enemies (chinese this time) were mountains of crap.

Maybe Clancy has always written the americans to be supermen, I dont know, but it became too damn obvious in the bear and the dragon. Super-spies infiltrating the highest levels of chinese government, super-scientists creating a working SDI-defence out of an old aegis-cruiser, super predators, super raptors, super super super.

It made me want to vomit. ME...mr USA-friendly...the only European Neocon!
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« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2007, 07:42:33 AM »
Yup i agree. Ive heard enough dumb comments by clancy to last me a lifetime. I still enjoy his books.
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« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2007, 08:26:36 AM »
I agree with Hortlund. The last Clancy book I read and enjoyed was Clear and Present Danger.
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« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2007, 01:39:30 PM »
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Have you read The Bear And The Dragon? Not as much war action as Red Storm, but its still good.


I havent read this one, might have to check it out. :)
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