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Offline DREDIOCK

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« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2007, 01:07:10 AM »
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We talkin' about 8yr olds.

Play y'er kid.

Have fun.

Which would suck worse...
1. Havin' a Dad who's your coach and puts you in 1st sting?
or
2.  Havin' a Dad who's your coach who benches you?

 


3. Letting you coach  your own or other peoples kids

I choose 3

Were also talking about maybe 20+ other 8 year olds who are also someones kid.

Your way you teach the kid he should get anything just because.

And we wonder how we ended up with a bunch of spoiled brats and the "me" generation


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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2007, 02:17:19 AM »
I'd say get all the coaches together and have them privately pick the best 2-3 kids other than their own kid for each position. For each choice have them give 5 positives and also 5 negatives about their picks. Assign point values for each skill/characteristic. That should pretty much eliminate all questions to which kid should play what position.
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« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2007, 06:36:33 AM »
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3. Letting you coach  your own or other peoples kids

I choose 3

Were also talking about maybe 20+ other 8 year olds who are also someones kid.

Your way you teach the kid he should get anything just because.

And we wonder how we ended up with a bunch of spoiled brats and the "me" generation


Heres your sign


I've coached soccer, t-ball, and pee-wee football.  There never was a question if I would start my kid or not.

I'm puttin' out the time and money coaching (amazing how much $$ it cost me) and my kid's gonna play.

Granted, my kids were always excellent at sports, so this never really came up.  I've even taken them out of games to rotate in other kids, and their PARENTS asked me to put my kid back in so we would win.  

(reminds me of a story...   My eldest boy Kyle was playing soccer for the first time.  The coach had their 1st practice right before their 1st game.  The first exercise was to just run up to the ball and kick it.  Kyle ran up, stumbled a bit, tried to kick the ball, tripped over it, and fell on his face.  I was "concerned" about this auspicious start of his soccer career, but I encouraged 'em and the practice went on.  Kyle was "average" at best, and hardly the best kid on the team as far as soccer skills were concerned.

Once the game started, it was as if the spirit of Pele took over my son.  Kid must have scored a dozen goals in that game (and at least 10 in every other one he played in).  The kid just REALLY wanted the ball.  Tough to coach that at that age.  One team even had a "Ringer" who just BARELY squeaked into the age bracket who'd played 2yrs of soccer already.  Kyle destroyed 'em.  I was so proud.  He shared the ball too.  He would call over other players on his team and let them actually "Score" the goal.  Great kid.

Ok, back to your regularly scheduled post...)

BUT I did make sure all the kids got to play, and had fun.  Winning wasn't near as important as them enjoying themself.  At THAT age the most important thing is all of them have a blast and want to do it again next year.

Put y'er kid in and make sure they all have fun.
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« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2007, 06:41:14 AM »
YIKES....8.

I thought we were talking kids up in Junior High & High School...MY BAD.

It's ALL about the fun and fundimentals then!

Pay ZERO attention to earlier post!



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« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2007, 06:54:33 AM »
I hate coaching my own kid.  my kid doesn't participate in team sports he is a martial arts practioner.  I serve as a sparring partner only.  you have a tough job to do there,  in my opinion the best way to do is to be detached, not an easy thing when one's own offspring is the subject.  I decided not to train my son myself because I was afraid that I could not remain objective enough to do a good job for his benefit.  

all the best to you, what you are doing is admirable.

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« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2007, 07:12:22 AM »
If he’s good enough, play him.

Heck, at 8 you should be playing the best and worst evenly.  It’s just a stupid game with little kids; parent who value winning at this age have problems.  Just have all the kids play to learn and have fun; play them all equally.

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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2007, 08:16:32 AM »
i'm going to sound really radical here, 8 yr olds don't need coaches to play football, all they need is a football and a open field, they will pick their own teams and a day after the "game" they won't remember who won, just that they had fun.

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« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2007, 08:41:06 AM »
At 8 years old everyone should get equal playing time.

Deciding at 8 who does or doesn't have the ability or desire is impossible.

Your job isn't to decide this.

Your job, as coach, is to inspire in them the desire to become the best they can be as individuals and to learn to work as part of a team.

You are focused on the score as the measure of winning. Winning as a coach is seeing important lessons in life imparted into very young minds.

None of these kids is likely to ever play football past high school. The odds are against it. But they are all going to need the lessons you can impart later in life.

20 years from now none of these kids is going to remember the score of any of these games but if you teach them something they can use the rest of their lives they will always remember you.

Whether or not to play your own kid should be based upon what lesson you are trying to get across to him.

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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2007, 08:45:57 AM »
At this level, don't most/ALL the kids play anyway? Linemen get shuffled in and out a lot anyhow, and who do you have bring in the plays? Lotsa pro teams have linemen do that. Even if your kid doesnt START, he can play significant minutes, and if he is good enough, it will become obvious---to the other players, which will be the most important lot for him to impress
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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2007, 08:56:09 AM »
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Now, it's not terribly serious like he's on drugs, or got his girlfriend pregnant(He's only 8 anyway!) but here's my dilemma:

I am a coach on his Jr. league football team. My son is fairly well sized for his age, He's not the fastest kid on the team, either. Since I handle the defence and the lineman, I have been choosing the starting spots for those positions. Now, I'm not the only parent that's coaching (2 others, and 1 uncle.) My dilemma is this: I don't want to start my own son, irregardless of his ability, because in the past, I've seen other coaches play their own children, over others that were much more suited, simply because they thought more of they're own kids than what they actually were.

Am I in the wrong? My son Brady enjoys football, They get they're pads, helmets and other gear next week. I don't want the fact that he's not starting to be a letdown. However, The other coaches have been plenty quick to play their own kids(The one that's starting QB is atrocious, compared to 2 or 3 others), But I've tried to balance the diplomacy between parents and coaches by NOT starting my own boy.

What do I do? I know I'm being unfair to Brady. But if I give him a starting spot, I'm an instant Prima-Donna. He's a good enough Lineman, either O or D. Should I wait and see what happens when Full-gear practices start up, and see who man's up, or who withers on the vine?

I've had a lotta anxiety about this for the last 2-3 months of pre-season practices now. Hopefully, he'll hit hard enough to justify anything I do with him.


Frode,

The one thing that I always told parent that didn't like the way I was handling their kids when I was coaching was "This is a volunteer position, and you didn't volunteer.  Please have a seat.  Thank you."  That generally cooled them off and gave them something to think about.

If you think that your son has the ability to be a starter in a given position, start him there.  I don't believe you should hold your own son back for the benefit of others, especially if he's better qualified.  What kind of message does that send?  

You stated that you know its unfair to him, and you're correct.  But, it's also unfair to the other boy who would get a starting spot he didn't earn.  I would equate that to giving him a false sense of his abilities.  Moreover, its unfair to the team.  As a Coach I think its your responsibility to:

1:  Teach the game

2:  Teach good sportsmanship

3:  Put them in the best position for success.

Passing on a player because hes YOUR son would negate #3.

Evaluate your players, talk to the coaches, make yourself available to the parents if they have an issue with your decision and calmly explain why you've made it.  I'd also offer suggestions on ways THEY can help their son improve so maybe he has a better shot at starting the next game.

In the end, remind them (and yourself) that its just a game.

(maybe throw in a "Winning isn't everything, BUT LOSING SUCKS!"):p

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i'm going to sound really radical here, 8 yr olds don't need coaches to play football, all they need is a football and a open field, they will pick their own teams and a day after the "game" they won't remember who won, just that they had fun.


Thats not exactly true, my 8 year old can remember every game, from LAST year!!!  At that age about half the kids, maybe more, are starting to become aware of their capabilities and shortcomings, and really try to make improvements.

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« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2007, 09:14:59 AM »
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As a former player, and in a highly competitive Chicago area (5A) league, it sounds like you are doing the right thing.

Step back, analyze...look at the whole BIG picture.....ASK the other coaches.

Look at him as if he WASN'T your own kid:

Does he deserve the starting nod?  Y/N?

Is there another player who has PROVEN that HE deserved to start more?  Y/N

Could there be a better position for his abilities & skills?  Y/N?

Would NOT starting be a motivation to work harder, learn more, and prove to the whole team (forget the parents) that he deserved it?  Y/N

Does he go harder/longer/further/with more explosion off the ball than everyone else in practice, EVERY PLAY....EVERY DAY?  Y/N?

I was a pine-rider in football, and deserved it.  I needed more HEART, even at 6-2, 250....

I wasn't related to my wrestling (also football) coach, but he MADE me WORK for my position at EVERY practice.

In wrestling, he accidently gave me a concussion and hyper-extended my neck numeropus times (with corresponding spinal surgery later in life)....I accidently broke his nose and almost broke his back.  We didn't let up an INCH on one another and it got me 3rd in the nation, and a trip to the Olympic Trials.

I respect that man as much as my own parent.

He taught me about life.

Good Luck!


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68Rox what school did you play for in chicago.  I played for Conant (8A) school?  Just curious if you were one of the catholic schools like Joliet or Carmal?

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« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2007, 09:25:05 AM »
Carmel was close (Libertyville/Mundelein), but I played for Waukegan West.

We were 5A back then and in the Central Suburban League (the biggest classification of schools wayyyyy back then).  We played the (when I say the...I mean North, South, East, West, etc.) the Triers, the Maines, The Niles, Highland Park, Deerfield, and Evanston.

Back then Deerfield was either #1 or #2 for so many years running (70's, I graduated in '79) that it wasn't even funny.

Sadly, we played very few parochial schools, Chicago proper, or out of league schools like Zion, Grant, etc.

We didn't get to schools in your neck of the woods until Sectionals (Super-Sectionals) and State.

I did have a lot of respect for schools in your league, though!

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« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2007, 09:48:46 AM »
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Yeah I know where you guys were.  Conant was a power house up untill 1995 when i graduated.  We were always down state.  The closest I got to you was playing Libertyville.

There is a few years diffence with our age  :D

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« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2007, 12:34:00 PM »
First thing to do is to stop using the word irregardless.

Then pick the best players and don't worry about it.
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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2007, 12:37:57 PM »
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First thing to do is to stop using the word irregardless.

Then pick the best players and don't worry about it.



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