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Offline FrodeMk3

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What do I do with my son?
« on: July 17, 2007, 10:43:40 PM »
Now, it's not terribly serious like he's on drugs, or got his girlfriend pregnant(He's only 8 anyway!) but here's my dilemma:

I am a coach on his Jr. league football team. My son is fairly well sized for his age, He's not the fastest kid on the team, either. Since I handle the defence and the lineman, I have been choosing the starting spots for those positions. Now, I'm not the only parent that's coaching (2 others, and 1 uncle.) My dilemma is this: I don't want to start my own son, irregardless of his ability, because in the past, I've seen other coaches play their own children, over others that were much more suited, simply because they thought more of they're own kids than what they actually were.

Am I in the wrong? My son Brady enjoys football, They get they're pads, helmets and other gear next week. I don't want the fact that he's not starting to be a letdown. However, The other coaches have been plenty quick to play their own kids(The one that's starting QB is atrocious, compared to 2 or 3 others), But I've tried to balance the diplomacy between parents and coaches by NOT starting my own boy.

What do I do? I know I'm being unfair to Brady. But if I give him a starting spot, I'm an instant Prima-Donna. He's a good enough Lineman, either O or D. Should I wait and see what happens when Full-gear practices start up, and see who man's up, or who withers on the vine?

I've had a lotta anxiety about this for the last 2-3 months of pre-season practices now. Hopefully, he'll hit hard enough to justify anything I do with him.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2007, 10:47:06 PM »
Instead of concentrating him on how sorry you are that he's not QB, focus his attention on how vital the position you're putting him is to the team.  It's a team, not a QB and a bunch of assistants.
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2007, 10:49:31 PM »
Would you be coaching if your kid wasnt on the team?  You're there for your kid while other parents arent.  Fair is for the birds... it's your kid and this whole thing is about him playing football and you've put in the time to coach the whole team.  I think he should get a little bonus for that.

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« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2007, 10:51:41 PM »
Ooop, sorry CB. I put the bit  about the QB to illustrate the thinking among the other coaches' on the team.

Brady has been training on both O and D line. I, for one, am kinda glad he's not the QB. They tend to get the most punishment. But it's a very key position at this level, and I feel like the rest of the coaching staff are here, simply to get their kids' a starting spot where they want them.

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« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2007, 11:07:50 PM »
Frode.. do the right thing.  

Step back from the situation and analyze it rationally.  If your son is the best at the position you should start him.  If he's not take some time when you're not at an official practice to coach him how to get better.

I made a HUGE mistake coaching my sons T-ball team.  I overcriticized him when he sucked and overpraised him when he did good.

This is an almost impossible chore but try to look at him in practice and in games as another kid.  After practice and games take some 1 on 1 to talk to him about what he's doing right and wrong then help him with it.

Congratulations you get to be 2 different people and it sucks.

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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2007, 11:08:14 PM »
Not playing him just because he's the coaches son is just as unfair as playing him just because he is.  If he can play...play him his fair share just like all the other kids.

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« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2007, 11:10:11 PM »
One way to wreck a team is to put a player in a position that he is not good at. This causes a lot of ill feelings and will tear the  team apart. Nothing worse than some parent who thinks their child is the next Heisman winner.

Have seen this happen too many times in competive hockey. House league (or supossidly non competive) requires that all players get more or less equal ice time.

How competitive is the league?

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« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2007, 11:15:58 PM »
Thanks, fellas, I'm taking all this advice to heart.



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How competitive is the league?


It's what is called a feeder program. In it, they play in the same area, and against the same teams, wearing the same colors, as the local area High Schools. Yeah, it's pretty competitive, because all of the local rivalries boil over into the Jr. league. I think there's about 20 different teams involved, with age brackets from the "Freshman" lvl. (8-9 yr. old) All the way to the "Varsity"(7th and 8th graders, 12-13 yrs. old.)

Also, every player on the roster has to have at least 10 plays a game( Our roster is limited to 30 players, and we've already had to cut 30 from our initial tryouts, when we had a little over 60.)
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« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2007, 11:32:19 PM »
I coached my daughters soccer team.   She was Really good at some things, not so good at others.

Actually, all the kids were that way.  I taught them the concept of Teamwork by talking, during practices, about who should be in what position based on the Practice Results, and our Team placed the players, and each member knew why they were in the position, based on being acknowledged By their team mates on their strengths.  Everyone had at least 2 things they were good at, and were more concerned about doing what they excelled in than getting the goal.

When one girl got a goal, she turned and high fived each girl that got the ball down the field to her and thanked them.

Mind you, it wasn't a kumbaya kind of team, those girls were out to win :)  Pretty fun for U-10 division lol

Bring em into the discussion, even at 8, they are more aware of their strengths and weaknesses than their parents are.
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« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2007, 11:39:06 PM »
As a former player, and in a highly competitive Chicago area (5A) league, it sounds like you are doing the right thing.

Step back, analyze...look at the whole BIG picture.....ASK the other coaches.

Look at him as if he WASN'T your own kid:

Does he deserve the starting nod?  Y/N?

Is there another player who has PROVEN that HE deserved to start more?  Y/N

Could there be a better position for his abilities & skills?  Y/N?

Would NOT starting be a motivation to work harder, learn more, and prove to the whole team (forget the parents) that he deserved it?  Y/N

Does he go harder/longer/further/with more explosion off the ball than everyone else in practice, EVERY PLAY....EVERY DAY?  Y/N?

I was a pine-rider in football, and deserved it.  I needed more HEART, even at 6-2, 250....

I wasn't related to my wrestling (also football) coach, but he MADE me WORK for my position at EVERY practice.

In wrestling, he accidently gave me a concussion and hyper-extended my neck numeropus times (with corresponding spinal surgery later in life)....I accidently broke his nose and almost broke his back.  We didn't let up an INCH on one another and it got me 3rd in the nation, and a trip to the Olympic Trials.

I respect that man as much as my own parent.

He taught me about life.

Good Luck!


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« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2007, 11:58:42 PM »
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Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Now, it's not terribly serious like he's on drugs, or got his girlfriend pregnant(He's only 8 anyway!) but here's my dilemma:

I am a coach on his Jr. league football team. My son is fairly well sized for his age, He's not the fastest kid on the team, either. Since I handle the defence and the lineman, I have been choosing the starting spots for those positions. Now, I'm not the only parent that's coaching (2 others, and 1 uncle.) My dilemma is this: I don't want to start my own son, irregardless of his ability, because in the past, I've seen other coaches play their own children, over others that were much more suited, simply because they thought more of they're own kids than what they actually were.

Am I in the wrong? My son Brady enjoys football, They get they're pads, helmets and other gear next week. I don't want the fact that he's not starting to be a letdown. However, The other coaches have been plenty quick to play their own kids(The one that's starting QB is atrocious, compared to 2 or 3 others), But I've tried to balance the diplomacy between parents and coaches by NOT starting my own boy.

What do I do? I know I'm being unfair to Brady. But if I give him a starting spot, I'm an instant Prima-Donna. He's a good enough Lineman, either O or D. Should I wait and see what happens when Full-gear practices start up, and see who man's up, or who withers on the vine?

I've had a lotta anxiety about this for the last 2-3 months of pre-season practices now. Hopefully, he'll hit hard enough to justify anything I do with him.


Dude I salute you for your mindset.

All to often I've seen coaches put their kids in the so called glamor positions they werent suited for. simply because they were their kids.

And all to often I've seen one of two types of parents.
The kinf that think their kid is better then they really are.
And the kind that thinks their are worse then they really are.

When I was coaching on my sons team I absolved myself of this by handing him over to  the other coaches the majority of the time
 And when I was coaching him I treated him like everyone else.
there was one coach who had joined out team late.
About 2/3 of the way throught he season he said " I've been here over two months and I didnt know TJ was your son untill about 5 minutes ago when your wife told me."
I said "Yep"
He complimented me and told me you would never know they way I treated him

I treated him like any other kid there. As for playing time. other then the minimum play rules He got no more or no less then he deserved from week to week just like everyone else. And I explained that to him. that that was going to be how it was.
Some weeks he got more playing time. Some less depending on how he performed and how much effort he put into practice.
Just lke everyone else
And when he was under me. I put him where he was best suited to help the team and not just my,or his ego.

I looked at it this way.
Whatever kids were under my charge at any given moment were all MY kids
and just as I would do for my own kids. I gave all the kids a equal chance.

That was just the way I looked at and handled it.

Also remember.
Your kids only 8.
this isnt the NFL LOL
And at that age the emphasis should be more on teaching the various positions and proper technique then anything.

Try not to grade out your own kid.
Your sure to be overcritical of him
Let one of the others handle that

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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2007, 12:02:45 AM »
We talkin' about 8yr olds.

Play y'er kid.

Have fun.

Which would suck worse...
1. Havin' a Dad who's your coach and puts you in 1st sting?
or
2.  Havin' a Dad who's your coach who benches you?

Heck with the "best person for the job" bit.

These are friggin' 8yr olds.

Lighten up Francis.

Put y'er kid in 1st string.

Just make sure everybody has fun.
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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2007, 12:08:44 AM »
Fill each position by merit or you are not a good coach. It doesn't matter who the kid's parents are. If they earned the slot, they get the slot.
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« Reply #13 on: July 18, 2007, 12:25:15 AM »
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These are friggin' 8yr olds.

Lighten up Francis.
 


I would concur (not only that I would agree) with Lute's sentiment.  

If you have this dilemma, perhaps it is because you have enough players to rotate them into the line...

8 yrs old football is about learning the fundamentals and getting playing time.
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« Reply #14 on: July 18, 2007, 12:29:39 AM »
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Frode.. do the right thing.  

Step back from the situation and analyze it rationally.  If your son is the best at the position you should start him.  If he's not take some time when you're not at an official practice to coach him how to get better.

I made a HUGE mistake coaching my sons T-ball team.  I overcriticized him when he sucked and overpraised him when he did good.

This is an almost impossible chore but try to look at him in practice and in games as another kid.  After practice and games take some 1 on 1 to talk to him about what he's doing right and wrong then help him with it.

Congratulations you get to be 2 different people and it sucks.

Thats just my opinion and it could be wrong
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