Author Topic: has this one been done -emil? (Read 941 times)

rogerdee · « **on:** July 19, 2007, 05:48:20 AM »

has any of you guys done the 109e skin or been working on it?

Krusty · « **Reply #1 on:** July 19, 2007, 09:43:03 AM »

It has not been done.

It's an E-1. It had 4x 7mm guns (no MG/FF) and less power than the E-4.

That and several other E-1s have been left un-done in my "inspiration directory" for skins. IMO it's enough of a difference that it doesn't fit. It would be like a P47D25 skin on a P47D40. Close, but not quite.

Your call if you want to try it. It's really from the battle of France era, and before the BOB.

Serenity · « **Reply #2 on:** July 19, 2007, 01:25:00 PM »

I think that would be one of the most beautiful Bf-109E skins, so PLEASE do it! lol

Krusty · « **Reply #3 on:** July 19, 2007, 01:29:19 PM »

It's a 1939 camo scheme, though. even by the BOF they were on to more modern schemes.

If we could do E-1s I've got 1 in the pipe (been sitting there for a year) that I may begin on. Let me know if/when you submit so we can see if it's accepted!

Serenity · « **Reply #4 on:** July 19, 2007, 01:59:59 PM »

I like the colors. I ALWAYS love a yellow-nosed Bf-109, but I like the fuselage cammo too. I really like the default Bf-109 E-4 skin, but I cannot fly it because... well... my religion doesnt allow me to fly default skins.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 19, 2007, 05:14:39 PM »

I'd like to see a photo of that one to support that profile. It looks like a 40 yellow nose on a 39 paint job.

Krusty · « **Reply #6 on:** July 19, 2007, 05:28:46 PM »

I've seen at least a few similar profiles, Guppy. IPMS Stockholm says the yellow nose started in Poland.

http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2000/02/stuff_eng_profile_bf109.htm

EDIT: The JG53 profile right below it is the one I have several examples of, that I want to skin, but I don't know if they'll take E-1s.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 19, 2007, 11:19:06 PM »

I'm not saying it's not true. I've just never seen a photo of a Poland era 109 with yellow nose. I've always understood that it started with the yellow rudder tips in the B of B and move on from here to the yellow noses
as an ID aid.

Krusty · « **Reply #8 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:04:48 AM »

Yep, that's always what I thought, as well. I've never seen a real photo of an early green camo with a yellow nose, either.

But then there's a lot of photos I haven't seen

Ah, well. I trust IPMS enough to think they're not making it up, but I cannot vouch for their sources.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 20, 2007, 09:39:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Yep, that's always what I thought, as well. I've never seen a real photo of an early green camo with a yellow nose, either.

But then there's a lot of photos I haven't seen

Ah, well. I trust IPMS enough to think they're not making it up, but I cannot vouch for their sources.

And I don't trust em without a background photo. Otherwise it's just interpretation

Model builders are as full of it as the rest of us:D

Serenity · « **Reply #10 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:00:17 PM »

Actually, that aircraft looks very familiar, if only because of that nose art... I KNOW ive seen it somewhere... Ill try to track it down.

Serenity · « **Reply #11 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:05:43 PM »

That noseart is 4./JG77 in norway, october 1940

Krusty · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2007, 12:23:03 AM »

There's plenty that model builders get wrong (apparently the red nosed 109F is a false profile, most likely yellow instead of red) but generally speaking I find IPMS stockholm to be reliable in the fact that they research their stuff as best they can. They have some wonderful Gripen references

I've no doubt the profile existed. The green camo was the standard, and if they painted yellow noses, it would be on top of that standard. I've also seen the skeleton on the sides before.

Attached is a similar but different profile from a decal sheet (from one of the better more accurate companies -- not perfect but still more evidence)

Guppy35 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 23, 2007, 01:14:43 AM »

And I can point to photos of most of those birds on that decal sheet, but not the full camo and yellow nose!

Someone has to have a photo of it somewhere. I can't find it in any of my 109s stuff and I have a halfway decent 109 book collection.

Krusty, the JG 52 bird on the decal sheet also has a yellow rudder suggesting late B of B time frame as well.

The original bird doesn't have the yellow rudder that would make sense with the yellow nose.

The JG 52 bird might even be early Russian campaign.

Krusty · « **Reply #14 on:** July 23, 2007, 10:14:17 AM »

No way, can't be!

That camo was rare and on the way "out" by the time of BOB (IMO), there's no way you'd find it on Eastern Front planes!

Then again, it's hard to even find pics of it on the Western front, eh?

Sorry I can't add to the mystery, but just from what I've seen previously, I don't think there's any way it was Eastern Front.