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Offline froger

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he rounds...
« Reply #75 on: July 21, 2007, 01:54:38 AM »
looks like rounds in the 90s  = HE

no killin tanks w/ HE tards just guns and sheds...


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Re: he rounds...
« Reply #76 on: July 21, 2007, 02:09:40 AM »
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looks like rounds in the 90s  = HE

no killin tanks w/ HE tards just guns and sheds...


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before you jump to claim someone a tard you can use he rounds to kill tanks doyy tard:rolleyes:

btw you have to actually hit the tank:rofl
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« Reply #77 on: July 21, 2007, 03:56:33 AM »


I dropped my lollipop when i saw this picture! Now theres fuzzy carpet junk on it!

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« Reply #78 on: July 21, 2007, 04:27:07 AM »
Cool, and we luftwobbles can't even get one friggin MG FF in JU88... :p

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« Reply #79 on: July 21, 2007, 07:35:25 AM »
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Ben Affleck time :D




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« Reply #80 on: July 21, 2007, 08:16:33 AM »
it would be rather funny to skin the co pilot to resemble Ben...>

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« Reply #81 on: July 21, 2007, 10:26:00 AM »
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Coshy:  "If you pause it when he zooms in you can see 2800 MG and 98 HE.  I'm not saying thats the loadout, but thats what is indicated on the ammo counter."


I'm sure they have it bumped up for testing purposes.  20-21 rounds, IIRC, is what 75mm armed American planes carried in the racks.  No way you'd fit 98 HE rounds into a B-25 and have any room left for ord.  Also, no way to know how many rounds fired off of .50's or 75mm before the clip, so trying to figure the load-out multiplier is all guesswork.  If, the ammo was increased by a factor of 7, that would indicate 2 forward firing .50's with 400 rpg, plus the 75mm (which would have started out with 147 rounds before the film, so maybe hitting ground targets with slow ROF 75mm is a mite hard?) --- which would definitely indicate this was a G model.  But, this is speculation.

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Well, it's a G or an H anyways.
I concur that it looks to be a B-25 G model from the interior due to co-pilot's yoke, and speculation in regards to ammo multiplier used in testing.
 
That would mean 2 X .50's X 400 rpg in the nose  (yes,two...a one and a two and a dat's all fer u),  one dorsal turret with 2 X .50's X 400rpg, (possibly no) ventral turret with 2 X .50's X 350rpg (deleted in production run effective on B-25G No. 42-65001), no waist guns (IIRC, that was a field mod to G's that removed the ventral turret), the heavier version of the 75mm cannon with a ROF of about 12-15 rpm, top speed at around 275 to 281 mph at 15,000 feet, dive speeds probably approaching 350mph, 670 US gallons fuel on-board (there were a few later mods to fuel capacity), and a normal bomb load of only 3,000 pounds.  I don't think the G model had the wing mounts that late models did, but I'm not sure.

But, wouldn't be the strafer the H or J models were ..... war zone G's often were, but HTC seems to avoid modeling field modifications, which is probably a good idea.

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You are only a little faster than the B-17's and B-24's at 15K altitude. 10-15mph.  Above that, the heavies will walk away from you.  And if it is a G model (it seems to be), you've only got 2 forward firing .50's to help that spud gun take out bombers.  Sounds like a choir, especially when you will be in range of the formation's guns.  

Actually, since the G was pretty much a revised C/D model... some C's were rebuilt into the G's as a test bed, it sort of makes sense they would chose it to model.  


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« Reply #82 on: July 21, 2007, 11:25:55 AM »
:aok :aok

are you giving us more then one B-25?

i seen that their were 98 rounds for the UBER canon,who many do we get before you shot any?
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« Reply #83 on: July 21, 2007, 01:31:07 PM »
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You better post film of that.


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I don't think any of us filmed it, but I would be happy to join you in the DA anytime to prove it out.

We were actually trying to test the HVAP round, which seemed underpowered in the MA.  We then moved to the theory that HE works better than AP for tracking tanks -- and we were surprised to get as many outright kills as tracking.

Again, the tests were from in close and hitting at an almost 90 degree angle, and of course does not work as well as AP.
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« Reply #84 on: July 21, 2007, 01:49:16 PM »
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A20 be damned!!! :D

B-25 > A20!!! (just for sheer coolness factor)


Not to mention a strafer nosed B25 would have 2x the guns as an A20, and actually be able to use its defensive guns in... you know.. defense!


Yeah, but the ME410 would have been really cool! :O
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« Reply #85 on: July 21, 2007, 02:09:30 PM »
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are you giving us more then one B-25?

i seen that their were 98 rounds for the UBER canon,who many do we get before you shot any?

You'll probably get 21 rounds with probable a ROF (rate of Fire) of around 12 to 15 rounds per minute in the online arenas, which is close to historic.

Offline, you can get whatever you want by changing the PlaneGunAmmoMult  and  PlaneAutoAmmoMult  in the Arena Settings.  

I'm betting on just the B-25G being added for now, with the outside possibility of the B-25C/D, since the only changes were the nose (1 X .50 fixed, 1 X .50 swivel, and Norden site as compared to 75mm and 2 X .50 fixed and extra armor for loader and HE rounds) whereas most of the plane (early model G's) were the same as the C/D's... thus very similar FM.  
That would allow a single B-25G w spud gun for strafing be taken for a sortie, or B-25C/D's with drones for level bomb runs.

As to when all the other models of the B-25 might get added, I refer you to the older players who can tell you how long it took to get the P38L or P47N added to the plane sets from the initial addition of the those particular plane models.


NOTE: I screwed up math a little above.  
2800 rds in counter split between 2 forward firing .50's comes down to 1400 rpg, which comes down to 200 rpg (if multiplier is 7) when it should historically be 400rpg, IIRC.  
If it is 400 rpg, that would be a PlaneGunAmmoMult of 3.5 and would bring the HE to 73 rounds..... that does not work.... if both forward firing .50's were already added to the model.
If multiplier is 6 in stead of 7, it would be 433 rpg on .50's and 126 rds of HE... that's an odd count. If the multiplier is 5, it only works out to 280 rpg for .50's, which is too light.  
And no combination of 2800 x .50 and 98 x He works out for 8 forward firing .50's for any ammo count multiplier, so I still believe it is safe that this is a G model being added.

Now, if only 1 forward firing .50 is modeled to far, then the 2800 rounds with a PlaneGunAmmoMult of 7 works out fine, and again opens the door for an H model..... except for the copilot seat as mentioned by Widewing, as he is right about no co-pilot position: The five-man crew consisted of the pilot, navigator-cannoneer-radioman, flight engineer-top turret gunner, waist gunner-camera operator and tail gunner. Three of five crew members had multiple jobs; there was no co-pilot or bombardier and only one waist gunner.
Of course, since the C/D only had 1 fixed forward firing .50, the ammo counter could allude to Waffle developing both a C/D and a G together, as the FM as so similar, and final adds to differentiate each model come after this film.
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« Reply #86 on: July 21, 2007, 03:09:53 PM »
love how the b25 is going to be the gun version.:aok

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(when is it coming out anyway and dont give my that 2 week crap)

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« Reply #87 on: July 21, 2007, 05:15:36 PM »
Most B25 armament in the nose seemed to have 300 RPG, not 400. Even the 12-gun nose had only 300 RPG. The 4 cheek guns have 300 RPG. So dividing by 400 doesn't give you the right answer :t  

(I just wanted to muck up your math)

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« Reply #88 on: July 21, 2007, 05:28:40 PM »
i seen 98 of the canon round's.Im asking how many rounds will the B-25 start out with in canon rounds.
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« Reply #89 on: July 21, 2007, 05:40:34 PM »
Only two more weeks til we get Ben Affleck!


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