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TinmanX · « **on:** July 20, 2007, 11:30:08 PM »

I'm not normally one to get so angry that I actually have to say something about it on the board especially as I know yuou guys dedicate your time to set this stuff up for us without personal gain, but tonight, being taken out by puffy ack above my own field really sets my teeth on edge.

Perhaps the map could have been checked for these strat inconsistancies BEFORE everyone arrived for Squad Ops?

It seems ridiculous to me that a group should be tasked with defending a field where the AA guns from a factory within spitting distance is taking out the defenders.

forHIM · « **Reply #1 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:44:20 PM »

TinmanX ---

The map was fine at 30 minutes before the event. Something happened during the final prep to cause the map to reset fields. I know it is frustrating to be killed by you "own" ack, but things happen. Sorry it got you upset. Hope to see you back up in 2 weeks.

forHIM.

TinmanX · « **Reply #2 on:** July 20, 2007, 11:51:22 PM »

Like I said, it's not like me to vent but I adimt feeling better for doing it. Mostly I'm upset at having to leave leading my wing who were solid throughout our opening encounters. There were a lot of newer pilots in that group who I had to leave in the lurch to land my damaged plane.

FiLtH · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2007, 12:21:26 AM »

Thats why we vent. It always feels better

Crappy way to leave an event, but by the looks of things just before it started we were lucky to be able to play tonight. Cudos for the CMs for getting it close enuff for us to play.

ROC · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2007, 12:26:56 AM »

That was about as frustrating as they come TinmanX, and I'm sorry you got shot down by ack, I hate it when the stupid game gets you and not a pilot.

All was right with the world, until about 5 minutes before fields opened and I got a call from the Host CM to come to the CM channel.

It was bad lol stupid ammo south of 12 was at the wrong country.

Tried rotating countries, resetting everything, and it just wasn't going to change. We had only 2 options and it was Launch Time. Reboot the Entire Arena, or Sled goes to the side CO and explains the situation and perhaps fly north. I didn't think there were targets at A12, but my mission was focused far south.

Well, we went for the easiest route, and didn't do a full reboot and rebuild of the arena, which would have taken about 20 minutes, as well as having all the missions rebuilt, and people not getting frustrated and just going to the MA perhaps not noticing the message about a reboot and Come Back. Tough call any way we looked at it. Very Sorry it went bad for you, I don't like anyone not getting the full benefit of an event, and I'll personally give you a 2 for 1 coupon for the next event!

There is a benefit though. You see, Gaidin is a new CM, and tonight he got his first class. Well, you can't do better than an event like this to clearly show how Bad it can go and how Quick one has to react to avoid a potential disaster! Vent away, I don't blame you, but Thank you for venting with such restraint and respect, that is admirable.

Roscoroo · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2007, 12:30:35 AM »

Tinman ..the map got all upset right befor the frame started ... luckily it was fixed without booting all 300 players .

we knew about the one strat that didnt change and it was announced to be careful .. sorry but that couldnt of been fixed without booting everyone.

next time something like that happens notify the host CM . I'm shure he would of let you reup a new plane .

Virage · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2007, 12:41:48 AM »

That enemy strat next to A12 was there for all 3 frames.

JG11's formation was scattered as we all had to weave thru it during frame 1.

Frame 2 caused a minor panic on command channel when it started blinking right away.

And on frame 3 our 234's had to take off next to it.

I agree choosing a12 as a base to defend wasn't the best idea.

Sled · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2007, 01:00:42 AM »

I do believe this was an error with the map, and will have to be fixed.

sorry for the problem guys.

PS

I went into the SEA and did a full reset, and reload, no change. this is a map error.

TinmanX · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2007, 01:05:31 AM »

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Originally posted by ROC

Well, we went for the easiest route, and didn't do a full reboot and rebuild of the arena, which would have taken about 20 minutes, as well as having all the missions rebuilt, and people not getting frustrated and just going to the MA perhaps not noticing the message about a reboot and Come Back. Tough call any way we looked at it.

I certainly understand not wanting to go through all of that but perhaps a different field could have been assigned? We were called to defend that base as a late change of orders, could the orders not have been reset back to the originals by both countries and/or a different defence be assigned?

Sled · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2007, 01:15:07 AM »

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Originally posted by TinmanX
I certainly understand not wanting to go through all of that but perhaps a different field could have been assigned? We were called to defend that base as a late change of orders, could the orders not have been reset back to the originals by both countries and/or a different defence be assigned?

I know that seems like the easy fix. But you have to realize that you start changing orders at that point in the game and it is going to be big trouble. It is not as easy as just moving the guys at 12 to a different base, you have to find a base that is at a good location. Is there still going to be fuel for the mission? are the attackers of 12 going to have the fuel or ordinance to hit the new base? Is everyone going to see the changes with only 5 min till launch? What if one of the attacking squads does not copy the changes and still attacks 12? What about the changes in rendezvous points with the change in bases?

The choice we made was the best choice with the least amount of problems we could make with the time we had to make the changes.

In this case there was no perfect solution.

TinmanX · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2007, 01:21:35 AM »

Understood. I should have realized that there was more to take into consideration.

Thank you for being so patient with my whining and also for putting so much time into making us FSO geeks look forward to Friday nights so rabidly.

Sled · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2007, 01:25:05 AM »

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Originally posted by TinmanX
Understood. I should have realized that there was more to take into consideration.

Thank you for being so patient with my whining and also for putting so much time into making us FSO geeks look forward to Friday nights so rabidly.

Your welcome, and thank you for being polite in your "gripe"

Remember, "Gripes" are welcome, being rude is not.

I have contacted the terrain team about the problem.

trax1 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2007, 03:06:19 AM »

You know even though that strat was showing as green to us Allies it was shooting at us as well, it even took out one of my guys as we attacked A12, so atleast for the axis it was shooting at us allies.

8903 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2007, 05:32:25 AM »

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Originally posted by trax1
You know even though that strat was showing as green to us Allies it was shooting at us as well, it even took out one of my guys as we attacked A12, so atleast for the axis it was shooting at us allies.

It was the French Resistance, at that strat, all drunk just shooting at everything. Can't trust them french on a friday.

daddog · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2007, 10:02:38 AM »

Sorry to hear about that Tinman. I know "just" how you feel. Same thing happened to me a long time ago, but I remember it well. As I was watching the clipboard map change I knew something was up and the CM's were struggling to get it right as the countries were changing. It was a good call on their part. Believe me when I tell you I have no problem telling them when they screw up.

As Filth said it feels better to vent. Considering what happened your post was very patient. Hats off to you Tinman.