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« on: July 21, 2007, 04:16:25 PM »
http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/asection/la-fg-afghan21jul21,1,3297809.story?coll=la-news-a_section

Think the Taliban will carry through on their threat killing these including 15 women? I don't think they will, what could they gain? They might make Korean Christians fear to go to Afghanistan but they aren't going to make the South Korean government withdraw their support there. I suspect they'll just hold 'em captive indefinitely.
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2007, 07:22:11 PM »
the taliban are girlymen, if they had bolas they would attack china.

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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2007, 07:26:05 PM »
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the taliban are girlymen, if they had bolas they would attack china.


heh.  good one.

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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2007, 07:28:03 PM »
The Taliban are idiots with an agenda to kill all Christians, Jews, and non-Muslims. Of course they'll kill them, you think they'll feed them for that long? They would probably kill them even if South Korea did what they asked.

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« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2007, 10:56:19 PM »
Yay!

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« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2007, 10:33:56 AM »
This following article on the situation was posted on Yahoo Asia yesterday. Obviously, paying off Jihadis is not a good idea. In essence its the old error of "danegeld" revived. The theory is that you pay off the evil men not to hurt you and yours - the problem is that they figure out pretty quickly that they can make quite a bit of money by threatening to hurt you and yours. In this case a lot of that money will be translated directly into IEDs, weapons, and ammunition to kill coalition forces some will go to train the next generation of Jihadis in the maddrassas over the border.

Most US missions organizations have a "no ransoms ever" policy, which was one of the reasons why when the Burnhams were captured by Abu Sayaff in the Phillipines no ransom was paid.

BTW - Drunky, your plan seems fitting given that the original Crusades weren't much of Christian endeavor either. However, if you really want a symbol that reveals what you are to the Taliban, you might want to consider staying home and painting a series of concentric circles of decreasing size, instead of a cross however.

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2ND LD: Taliban get ransom to spare S. Korean hostages' lives: Official
(Kyodo) _ (EDS: UPDATING WITH RANSOM PAYMENT)

An Afghan official told Kyodo News Wednesday that a "huge amount of money" has been paid to Taliban minutes before their set deadline to stop them from killing 23 South Korean hostages.

But the Afghan official, who declined to be named, did not specify how much was paid. He said the Afghan government was also ready to trade eight Taliban prisoners with the South Korean hostages as had been demanded.

"They say we are the servants of Islam, but they are not, they are thieves, they are hungry for money," the official said, adding that the negotiations were continuing.

The development comes shortly after Yousif Ahmadi, a purported Taliban spokesman, told Kyodo News and other media by telephone that the militants had lost their patience with the progress of negotiations and had decided to kill some hostages if at least eight Taliban prisoners are not released by 2 p.m. local time.

Afghan and Taliban figures had earlier shown optimism that the hostage crisis would be resolved peacefully.
   
The South Koreans, mostly female nurses and teachers in their 20s and 30s who are part of an evangelical Christian group, were taken hostage at gunpoint Thursday while traveling to the southern city of Kandahar from the Afghan capital Kabul.

The Taliban initially demanded the withdrawal of South Korean military personnel from Afghanistan and had since been pressing for the release an equal number of Taliban prisoners, threatening to kill the hostages if their demands are not met.

South Korea has about 210 army medics and engineers stationed in Afghanistan on a non-combat reconstruction mission, which are scheduled to be withdrawn by the end of the year.

Negotiations have been under way between the Taliban kidnappers and the Afghan government amid news reports that a South Korean delegation began direct talks with the militia on Tuesday.

Meanwhile, an Afghan official said a German journalist and his Afghan translator have possibly been abducted from the house to which they had been invited in Kunar province of eastern Afghanistan.

The two have been missing since Tuesday night in the Watapur district of Kunar, said the official, a provincial spokesman.
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« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2007, 10:40:04 AM »
BTW as a follow-up Drunky here are your Holy Warriors:


They had the temerity to "hate" and "oppress" the Afghans who are enjoying the blessings of the "religion of peace" by offering medical help and education without cost to the Afghans. One of the men in this picture was executed yesterday.

EDIT: Link to article Body of South Korean Youth Pastor Found
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2007, 03:54:57 PM »
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the taliban are girlymen, if they had bolas they would attack china.


I don't think any group on the planet is dumb enough to poke that great sleeping dragon with a stick.  China would love the excuse to flex it's international power, influence, and military might against some uppity terrorists..... the result would be like a bug on a windshield.  

As to the hostages, if the Taliban feel they are about to lose control of them (through a rescue attempt), or fee they will not be able to get any use out of them, they will be killed.  They are foreigners, many are women, and infidels.... there is nothing there for them to relate to, so nothing to keep them from killing them.

That's who is on the extremists side of the equation.

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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2007, 04:07:16 PM »
"the release an equal number of Taliban prisoners"

why are there Taliban prisoners, they should have been killed fighting for Allah.  Take no prisoners, it's simpler that way.

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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2007, 01:19:57 AM »
John, many people are wondering why there are still Taliban, when the mighty USA is after them. I still think we should have never declared open war, let them think they were safe, and they wouldn't have went into hiding. Then when that worked, and they weren't hiding, we fly stealth bombers over their heads and drop bombs at their feet. The Taliban are something that will not be fought with peace, they are blood hungry savages that have to be dealt with with force.

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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2007, 03:35:47 PM »
Hi Guys,

Here is the latest update regarding negotiations following the CBS story on a captive who made a phone call. Apparently all the hostages are sick which is no big surprise.

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John, many people are wondering why there are still Taliban, when the mighty USA is after them. I still think we should have never declared open war, let them think they were safe, and they wouldn't have went into hiding. Then when that worked, and they weren't hiding, we fly stealth bombers over their heads and drop bombs at their feet. The Taliban are something that will not be fought with peace, they are blood hungry savages that have to be dealt with with force.


Sadly we know exactly where most of the Taliban are, they're just over the border in the refugee camps in Pakistan and where the next generation is being trained in the Madrassas (Quran in the Morning, combat arms in the afternoon). Since we are not allowed to drop bombs in Pakistan, getting to them there is almost impossible.

So instead we have to wait until they walk over the border, go to their arms cache, and hopefully get a chance to shoot them while they are still armed, because after they re-cache their weapons they return to non-combatant status and are not to be killed. And no, nobody ever won a war playing by these insane rules.

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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2007, 04:22:51 PM »
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John, many people are wondering why there are still Taliban, when the mighty USA is after them.


Saying the USA is after the Taliban is like saying America is in a War against terrorists.  The reality is that only a small part of America is actively engaged in the war: those in the military and those directly supporting them.  America on a whole is not engaged:  No rationing.  No shortages.  No sacrifice.  No great recruitment effort.  

The U.S. Army's presence in Afghanistan is only 2 Combat Brigades and some detachments from SOCOM.  In a country that big, that is not a great force to work with.  NATO makes up the rest, and they are almost purely defensive in their restricted operations, which has a lot to do with European politics, and not NATO's military abilities.   And we don't follow them into Pakistan..... a similar situation we faced in SE Asia once.  

To say nothing of the building terrorists forces and camp throughout places like Indonesia and Bangladesh which we are not actively engaging.

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« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2007, 04:54:16 PM »
Actually, in my post, I was being sarcastic about the US being after them, I was trying to make the same point you did, I just wasn't clear enough.

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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2007, 11:01:28 AM »
Unfortunately, another South Korean medical missionary was killed by the Taliban this morning.

The victim, "identified as 29 year-old Shim Sung-min was found about 50 miles from where the original group of 23 Korean Christian volunteers was abducted on July 19, near Qarabagh on the main highway.

Shim was said to have quit his job at a Seoul IT company two months ago to become a teacher to the disabled at a church in Seoul"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20036022/
http://www.christianpost.com/article/20070731/28687_Second_Korean_Hostage_Body_Found%3B_New_Deadline_Looms.htm

Of late, their church Saemul Presbyterian, has been criticized for sending missionaries to such a dangerous place. I do not agree with this criticism, rather I praise God that he still raises up men like Shim who hear the voice of Jesus say: "If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me." and who answer by saying "I will follow" and dying to self they quit comfortable jobs, and take up their cross and serve their Savior in dangerous and difficult circumstances.

In prior centuries, it was understood that becoming a missionary was an assurance of an early death. It was said that the young men and women who served Christ in the mission field went out bearing their coffins with them. They went because they loved their Lord, they heard his call and they saw the need. They saw the sin, the sickness,the want,  and the darkness in which many whom Christ died to save were living and their desire was to bring light in that darkness, to feed the hungry, tend to the sick, and bring the eternal hope of the gospel to a world without hope. So they went out with Christ's assurance: "For whoever desires to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake will save it.

As I read the story of these missionaries, I was reminded of the story of the awesome self-sacrifice of the Moravian missionaries of the 18th and 19th centuries, here is but one of their stories from a letter written by a Pastor to his congregation in 1839:

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The awful disease of leprosy still exists in Africa. Whether it be the same leprosy as that mentioned in the Bible, I do not know, but it is regarded as incurable, and so infectious that no one dares to come near the leper. In the south of Africa there is a large lazarhouse for lepers. It is an immense space, enclosed by a very high wall, and containing fields, which the lepers cultivate. There is only one entrance, which is strictly guarded. Whenever anyone is found with the marks of leprosy upon him, he is brought to this gate and obliged to enter in, never to return. No one who enters in by that awful gate is ever allowed to come out again. Within this abode of misery there are multitudes of lepers in all stages of the disease. Dr. Halbeck, a missionary of the Church of England, from the top of a neighboring hill, saw them at work. He noticed two particularly sowing peas in the field. The one had no hands, the other had no feet - these members being wasted away by disease. The one who wanted the hands was carrying the other who wanted the feet upon his back, and he again carried in his hands the bag of seed, and dropped a pea every now and then, which the other pressed into the ground with his foot; and so they managed the work of one man between the two. Ah! how little we know of the misery that is in the world! Such is this prisonhouse of disease.

But you will ask, who cares for the souls of the hapless inmates? Who will venture to enter in at this dreadful gate, never to return again? Who will forsake father and mother, houses and land, to carry the message of a Savior to these poor lepers? Two Moravian missionaries, impelled by a divine  love for souls, have chosen the lazarhouse as their field of labor. They entered it never to come out again; and I am told that as soon as these die, other Moravians are quite ready to fill their place. Ah! my dear friends, may we not blush, and be ashamed before God, that we, redeemed with the same blood, and taught by the same Spirit, should yet be so unlike these men in vehement, heart-consuming love to Jesus and the souls of men?


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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2007, 11:12:00 AM »
Drop one Nuke on the border of Pakistan/Afghanistan and blame it on the failed Nuke test of the Iranians.

Like killing two birds with one stone.

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