Crummy situation - Murder from 30 miles away?

[AKIron]

I have to agree with Chairboy. If a cop dies as a result of an accident in which the criminal had a direct part, like a car chase, then hold the criminal responsible, though I wouldn't necessarily call it murder. Otherwise, it's just an accident and possibly even poor training is to blame.

[x0847Marine]

Originally posted by Chairboy
If a 13 year old has been caught shoplifting, and the police car coming to take him to jail is T-boned in an intersection, should the 13 year old waiting in the manager's room at the store be convicted of murder?

Vicarious liability applies because the officer was responding to assist make a felony arrest. Having back-up 30 miles away, or more, is not at all uncommon in rural areas.

Shoplifting is a misdemeanor, and the officer wouldn't be responding to aid in the arrest of someone already "caught"... being detained by a manager is analogous to being under citizens arrest.

[MiloMorai]

   quote:He should get the chair for shooting at a police officer; it doesn’t matter that he grazed him or if he would have missed the cop or killed him.

It was another officer that fired the bullet that grazed one officer.

    quote:Gasconade County sheriff’s deputies arrived. Stallmann fired once. Deputies fired 60 shots in return. One reserve deputy was grazed in the cheek by a bullet fired from another deputy.

Should this criminal have been charged with another murder if that bullet had killed the officer it struck?

When firing a weapon one must always be sure of one's target and make sure you have a clear shot. Hitting another officer shows a lack of judgement or a lack of skill with what ever firearm he was using.

Attempted murder of one cop on another cop?

[FiLtH]

I think a little common sense is in order. If the kid was in the manager's office with a gun threatening people than yes he should be held responsible. But if he was just detained then no.

   People get so confused over stuff, but if you break it down, and use a little common sense, or uncommon sense today, it isnt so hard.

[Slash27]

Originally posted by Chairboy

....but should he really be convicted of murder because an officer who was speeding through a construction zone got into an accident and died 30 miles away?

 

Yes, let him rot.

[Gumbeau]

Originally posted by Elfie
Looks like maybe he was drinking the night before. Still, if he had been drinking why didn't he just say so and just stay at home?

If every cop stayed home after a night of drinking the money needed for police cars would be very low. How long can you keep a car that is never driven?

[FBplmmr]

odd thing I saw last weekend-


officer flying down the road -engine redlined

but stops for the traffic lights?

it was funny because I kept ending up at the same traffic light as her but she would hammer the gas as soon as the light turned green.  there were almost no other cars on the road and cross traffic was virtually non existent.

my assumption is she was heading to a call because eventually another unit turned down a side street from another direction and she followed

i just thought it was odd to be in hot pursuit but only from light to light

[lazs2]

don't you have to be commiting a felony for the rule to take effect?   I don't think a minor crime or an accident counts.  

lazs

[Holden McGroin]

The felony-murder rule says that if a killing occurs during the course of a commission of a felony, all accomplices in the felony are chargeable with murder.  In Missori, according tho the article , it extends to law enforcement responding to the crime, and that is what happened here.

"Stallmann was the impetus for all the events," said Gasconade County Prosecutor Ada Brehe-Krueger. "But for his actions, Trooper Tatoian would not have been killed."

It is relatively easy to stay out of jail.  My sympathy is reserved for the fallen officer and his family.

[SaburoS]

Originally posted by Chairboy
First, this guy is a scum bag.  He did some bad stuff, got into a gunfight with cops, and should be in a hole.


....but should he really be convicted of murder because an officer who was speeding through a construction zone got into an accident and died 30 miles away?

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/D159F9B9C70CFBDC8625731E0012B1E8?OpenDocument

This guy should be convicted for the bad decisions that he had control of, not this.

Yes, he should as that is what Missouri law allows:

"Missouri law allows a felony murder charge when an officer is killed while responding to aid in a felony arrest."

I disagree with it as I think it is bad law to define it as murder.

[VOR]

Originally posted by SaburoS
Yes, he should as that is what Missouri law allows:

"Missouri law allows a felony murder charge when an officer is killed while responding to aid in a felony arrest."

I disagree with it as I think it is bad law to define it as murder.

Reluctantly agree. It's the law in that state, but it's a stupid law. Guilty of murdering someone you've never seen before in your life? Stupid.

It should stand, however because it's the law. He was convicted and that's that.

"Stallmann was the impetus for all the events," said Gasconade County Prosecutor Ada Brehe-Krueger. "But for his actions, Trooper Tatoian would not have been killed."

Bull****! The trooper would be alive but for striking a truck at a high rate of speed.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by VOR
Bull****! The trooper would be alive but for striking a truck at a high rate of speed.

and the reason for his high rate of speed...  response to a situation caused by Stallmann.

[moot]

Should a mime catch a bombshell in mid-air after she slips on a banana peel, it's the girl who would be responsible for the mime breaking his pose and his contractual obligation to hold still.  
She made him do it

[Holden McGroin]

Only if it were a felony to slip on a banana peel.

I believe this applies only in East Tennessee.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
and the reason for his high rate of speed...  response to a situation caused by Stallmann.

Actually, it sounded like this guy was out drinking the night before, was late for work, and prob. was going too fast and was being dumb.

Not sure it's the felon's fault the officer was being irresponsible.

Being born/raised in St. Loo i'll ask my friends / family if there is anything to this story we missed.