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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2007, 08:30:35 AM »
I heard it was 40 days (in texas?) yesterday so start counting.

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« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2007, 12:27:09 PM »
Is the Firefly modeled with the gyroscopic main gun or was those only features on standard US M4 Shermans?


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« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2007, 12:46:59 PM »
i think the tiger should cost less but thats cause i like it better
mostimes im at 2.0 or more in the tiger.love the sherman then 1 hit 1 kill most times.
bad spot for the tiger is up close were sherman is strongest
much better vision out of the m-4 and better abilty to move  keeps me on my toes and motor shut off in my tiger
in open terrain at distance m-4 will not normally take down tiger without 3 or 4 shots/best combo is 1 tiger 2 shermans i think.
panzer seems more obsolete to  me than the tiger
 i would like to see the better russian tank tho
 i cant think of its name right now it was comparible to the king tiger.
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« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2007, 02:20:54 PM »
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Re: Tiger is obsolete
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2007, 02:46:47 PM »
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I'll just come out and say it, the Tiger tank is obsolete. In a late war arena crawling with M-4s, Tigers are just a waste of time. I took out two Tigers at +1500 in one engagment. Single shots from the Shermans 17 pounder just about anywhere on the Tiger will kill or cripple the tank. The ricochet that you get from a slightly miss placed shot with a Panzer is a thing of the past with the Sherman. Oh sure, the Tiger is still the best choice against a bomb attack, but Tank v Tank it is finished. Perk the Sherman? Yes!


Tiger isnt obsolete... its just the people that use them that are obsolete :D
I have myself taken on 4 Shermans from 1500+ and win then have 2 Shermans kill me at 1300+. so im saying that its not the tank but the person in the driver's and gunner's seat

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« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2007, 02:48:21 PM »
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Is the Firefly modeled with the gyroscopic main gun or was those only features on standard US M4 Shermans?


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the M4 didnt have the gyroscopic main gun, the gun was small enough that the gun didnt move as much. idt any WWII tank besides the Comet had a gyroscopic main gun if im wrong plz correct me :)

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« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2007, 03:32:56 PM »
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the M4 didnt have the gyroscopic main gun, the gun was small enough that the gun didnt move as much. idt any WWII tank besides the Comet had a gyroscopic main gun if im wrong plz correct me :)



The M4 Sherman had a main-gun Rand gyro stabilizer that allowed it to fire on the run.  It had it from the get go and was the first tank to feature it.

Question that I haven't been able to find an answer on is if the Firefly was equipped with one.


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« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2007, 04:10:00 PM »
I've seen references to the Sherman having gyro stabilizers, which kind of surprises me as the M4 was intended and designed for infantry fire support; and not as a tank destroyer like the M10 Wolverine or M18 Hellcat or a heavier tank like the M26 Pershing which were expected to engage other tanks.  

Of course, a 1940's gyro stabilizer is not going to be rock steady like a modern one, and the terrain is not nearly as roughly modeled in the game as it would appear in real life, so as a designed feature in a WWII AIR combat simulator, it's a wash.  

IOW: if you modeled the gyro stabilizer, you'd have to model more accurate terrain, to include things like slick muddy surfaces.  


Tiger definitely no longer the king of the battlefield.  Still useful at long range and on the run, but if sitting still, and closer into the Shermans, it's often going to lose.  Vs enemy aircraft, it still tends to hold it's own well.

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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2007, 04:13:10 PM »
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Tiger definitely no longer the king of the battlefield.  Still useful at long range and on the run, but if sitting still, and closer into the Shermans, it's often going to lose.  Vs enemy aircraft, it still tends to hold it's own well.


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« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2007, 05:19:41 PM »
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I've seen references to the Sherman having gyro stabilizers, which kind of surprises me as the M4 was intended and designed for infantry fire support; and not as a tank destroyer like the M10 Wolverine or M18 Hellcat or a heavier tank like the M26 Pershing which were expected to engage other tanks.  



It was put in the Sherman to allow it to fire on the run whether in support of infantry or against other tanks.


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« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2007, 05:27:39 PM »
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It was put in the Sherman to allow it to fire on the run whether in support of infantry or against other tanks.
 

Still, as it was intended for fire support for infantry, essentially a moving pill box with MG and 75mm to reduce defenses, the idea of firing on the move in that role outruns the ground troops you are supporting.  But, it was supposedly built into the original design.  Just didn't expect that design philosophy that early in the war.  

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« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2007, 05:57:29 PM »
Does anyone know if the Firefly retained the gyrostabilizer?


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« Reply #42 on: July 23, 2007, 07:44:23 PM »
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Does anyone know if the Firefly retained the gyrostabilizer?


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I will see if I can find a reference, but my recollection is that the equipment was removed (along with the US provided gun) during the conversion process.  

The 17lbr was a very heavy gun, so I doubt it would function properly regardless.
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« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2007, 08:33:02 PM »
They had to shoehorn that gun into the Sherman's turret too, didn't they?  On it's side or some such.  Just a vague recollection, I may be thinking of another tank.

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« Reply #44 on: July 24, 2007, 10:31:34 AM »
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Current stats:

Tiger vs. Sherman: k/d 1.91
Sherman vs Panzer: k/d 2.11
Tiger vs Panzer: k/d 5.49

Total kills
Panzer: 16266 k/d 0.81
Sherman: 33301 k/d 1.36
Tiger: 9510 k/d 3.29


I'd be willing to bet that the majority of those Tiger kills are coming from MW where it is still quite formidable, facing only the Panzer and the T-34.  I see a LOT of Tigers in use in MW, almost none in LW.

They need to either reduce the perk price of the Tiger or perk the Sherman.
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