What is a good rifle?

[Viking]

Originally posted by lazs2
so shlotzie..  you would say that silencer (suppressor) laws are bad laws?

Huh? ... no?

Originally posted by lazs2
We have to much gun control here not too little.

Same here.

[lazs2]

You think silencer laws are good laws?   You guys have em (legal silencers)... several countries have em too...

Aren't you afraid that they will warp people into going on shooting rampages?

lazs

[Viking]

No, why would they?

[Angus]

Here is sad news.
We had the first murder of the year, and it was a guncrime
and a puny .22 normal, BRNO bolt action. One shot.
No supressor or silencer, since the killer was not really thinking about it I guess. I think we can have them anyway, and if not, they're easy to make.
Then, he went away and shot himself. Also dead.
2x22 bullets and two corpses. The victim almost survived though, but tough luck, even .22's do a lot to big arteries.
Terrible. And the whole circumstances were quite dramatic.

Anyway, of silencers. I once tried a .22 automatic, with a scope and a silencer. Now that is one for the grouse or ptarmigans. It only makes a slight click and a "pfft" and a "thump" where the bullets hit. If you are hid or still, the birds will look and not fly. You wait a few secs then fire again.
If you pick them off with a rifle as well, and hit the chest nicely, you won't have to be chewing on them pellets as well when you eat them.

[Angus]

Oh, just read my text, you must think I'm a sicko.
The point I wanted to make was that you don't need an artillery piece for hunting small game. .22 family will do just fine.

[ariansworld]

Thanks for all the reccomendations.

[AAolds]

Originally posted by ariansworld
What would be a good rifle for small game hunting and is not super expensive?  
What is your reccomendation?
Thanks.

As others have surely posted, go with a rifle in .22 caliber.  Many good rifles to choose from.  I went with a Browning BL-22.  Great little level action rifle IMO.

[lazs2]

yep angus.. any rifle or hatchet or knife or club or whatever will kill...

I can make a handgun.   I can make any firearm and you can make an effective silencer by taping a liter plastic bottle to the gun....so can you.   that is why gun laws meant to keep people from killing each other are stupid.

It is in the heart of man not in the tool.   You are fortunate to not have many with such hearts in your country but it has nothing to do with your laws..

if someone wanted to kill with a gun in your country they could do it with... a 22.

lazs

[VOR]

He missed your point, Angus. Just let it go.

[Angus]

You missed the point. So I let go. Or should I start a counter?
Anyway, I recall you saying that gunshots weren't that dangerous. There you have the smallest of calibers, killing 2 people with 2 bullets.
And as a sidenote, - in a similar case (same cause) the wannabe assasin tried to hit the victim with his car, since he was unarmed. Victim survived and the wannabee went into the place of rectal enlarging

[lazs2]

I missed the point?   seems to me that if you ban one type of gun thinking it will stop homicide then you have to ban em all.   Why would you allow 22's?   If you want to start a counter then go ahead but it would simply be a counter for all the irony that went over your head.

As to the other... what I have said about gunshots in the past... if you are going to not be truthful... or.. to be charitable... if you have no ideas as to what I have said in the past....

Don't bother to mention it.   What I stated that you may be misrepresenting... is not that gunshots are "not that dangerous" but the fact that 80% of those shot with handguns survive.  

If you can't see the difference then it will be difficult for us to interact.

I have to ask tho... do you think that a ban on 22's would have saved those 2 lives?

lazs

[Angus]

LOL, you missed all points. Okay, I'll fill you in with some extra info
1. This guy killed another guy with a gun. He chose the gun because it's rather easy and effective. Also for killing himself.
2. The victim almost made it. .22 and bolt action single shot didn't quite do it right away. He ran caught a car, and was driven away.
3. Had he been gunned down with a good automatic weapon, he would have been dead on the spot, and killer gone.
4. Killer got spotted, since the rifle was easily visible. So all the blue lights are on, and he runs away.
5. Killer freaks out after getting out of town and shoots himself.
6. A mere .22 is obviously dangerous enough to kill humans in a single shot, which contradicts what Lazs once said, - that gunwound weren't that dangerous.
7. A similar case (jealousy related assassination attempt) occured some years ago. The wannabe-killer stalked the to-be victim and then ran him down with his car. But the victim survived. It was a thing that happened in a moment in a traffic environment, so he did not have the chance to finish it.

I wish that that .22 had been loaded with short shots though, - then you'd have had the victim in Hospital (maybe) and the killer as well with a hole in his gum. But it went bad. Final point to that is that a .22 is enough for all small game, you only need bigger loads for accuracy at more range.

[lazs2]

angus.. you are proving my point not yours...   80% of people shot by handguns survive... many who do not are able to get in their cars and die on the way to the hospital or die later.

The 22 has killed more people than any other caliber except in war.  Why not ban the 22... the big killer.   Why not start with the caliber that is the big offender?    I believe most 22 deaths are caused by rifles too.

soooo... by your logic.. allow large caliber handguns and rifles but get rid of 22 rifles.

A 22 is quiet.. people are killed by em all the time and no one even hears it much less sees it.

I could cut down (as could you) a 22 to a very short length that could easily be concealed.

People attacked with knives have about the same chance of survival as people shot with handguns.

The figure of 80% is about ten years old tho... I admit that I think the newer ammo is increasing the percent... event the pissant 9mm did a 100% job on the poor helpless unarmed students in Va.

I don't know that tho..  just a guess but even if it were true...  You are still far from certain to die of handgun wounds.

you still might want to take your chances of getting shot with a handgun vs being run over by a two ton car.

lazs