WARBIRDS AND BERSERKR'S FIX FOR F4U-C!

[SIFTER]

Keep the F4U-C. BUT the same thing was happening in Warbirds as is happening in AH. The solution was to switch to a rolling plane set. I want to see other planes that were rare and lethal(the TA152,Do335,FW 190D,ME410,P-47(NOT RARE BUT NEEDED)(all with optional armaments, too!). But you have to be careful what planes you release into a main arena with early war planes you want people to experience and fly. The F4U-C was probably released too early(before numbers of players(skilled players,too) were high enough for a rolling plane set ,or other planes that would have equal firepower and ability were released with enough variety to compete equally with a range of differently skilled pilots. The early war planes would still be "ass-out" in one arena. Yes only HTC can decide when they have the numbers to create seperate arenas for late war planes(so you don't have to wait for weeks to fly your favorite),or go to a rolling plane set. I don't want to wait three weeks to fly my favorite plane. But, I flew many planes that I couldn't fly(and live long) in the main arena because of the rolling plane set.How do you think the A6 Zero coming out is going to fair in this late war atmosphere. Who will want(refering to newer pilots)to fly it more than once when any stray round sends you into "zippo" mode. Newer pilots who lack the skill to survive in a favored plane are going to go to the plane that they perceive as "Uber" whether it is true or not.I dont want to fly against one type of plane all of the time. Without new players your game is gone and with it your "I'm the man" position.
The solution is to make a smaller arena with all of the planes in it. And an arena with a rolling plane set.This would alleviate the need for an historical arena until the numbers are up. That way every plane can be experienced in a more equitable environment. The historically minded people are satisfied. And everyone should have what they want. Lets not beat around the bush. I like AH. But without capitalizing on its early release and getting its player numbers up quickly it is going to be hurt by WW2 online. AH can ill afford any kind of strife within its player community. We all want to have fun. It is not easy to balance an online game. Be part of a solution people. Not part of a battle that only hurts the fun your going to have by posturing (with your ego in hand) and taking a stand at a point in a sims life when it is still not completely developed. The strides made in such a short time are too easily forgotten by people who play alot. Six months is not a long time. I am ussually polite and dont cause problems over things I do in a "game". It is a game. I get very pissed by "people or children more likely",talking toejam about someone when they have the anonymity of thousands of miles of fiber optic lines to feel secure. Flaming someone for puttimg up an honest opinion about a "game" issue is as cowardly as releasing a virus. Wait until a convention, then rear up on your pissed soaked hind legs look them in the eye and talk your toejam.       IMHO Berserkr



[This message has been edited by SIFTER (edited 05-15-2000).]

[Saintaw]

HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH(breathes again)...ever heard of punctuation my friend ?  

[Hairball]

RPS??

Ain't this where yah get to fly the good stuff once every 22 days??

Kinda like catnip. all stink; no substance.

Hairball


[This message has been edited by Hairball (edited 05-15-2000).]

[Hangtime]

No way! No RPS fer me!That'll be my last day.  

At thirty smackers a month; for the price of a boxed sim every 29 days; for the price of 12 boxed sims per year; gawdammit, if my plane ain't there when I am; I'm goin someplace else.

RPS sucks wazoo. period.

humph.

Hang (glad the damn cat agrees)

[SIFTER]

Read more carefully guys! There are two arenas"The solution is to make a smaller arena with all of the planes in it. And an arena with a rolling plane set."
Saintaw,
I was in a hurry with screaming kids on my lap."Runnalong" sentences are good for your cartiovascular heath  Here's the puncuation I left out:;'",.?!|/().. Sorry !       Berserkr

[AKDejaVu]

Can't see another arena being added with the same things as the main arena.. only less of them.

I can see a historical arena being added.. with some type of specific front battle... but not a rolling plane set for the sake of a rolling plane set.

With the 8 player H2H available, I'd suggest people start setting up their own servers that have the planes and damage models that they want.  HTC has given every one several opportunities to do it thier own way... might as well take advantage of it.

AKDejaVu

[Torque]

Pyro please lock anything that has F4u and cannons in it please.!!

[bloom25]

Although a RPS is a solution to the planeset problems, IMO I don't think this is the best way to deal with the problem.  I would rather see some sort limitations on how many uber/rare/special varient aircraft a person could fly in a given time period.  For example:  You are given unlimited numbers of the main fighters for a particular country.  (P51, P47, 109s, 190s, F4u-1D, C205, A6m, N1k, la5, yak9, typhoon, spit, etc.)  You are also allowed to fly a certain number of special aircraft every 6 hours.  For example, you get 5 sorties total every 6 hours in special aircraft like the: (F4u-1c, Do335, Me262, 190-D9, 109K4, Ta152, Tiger tank,  and any other limited and/or uber planes added.)  Given the correct settings I think that we can add these planes without filling the MA with them.  Ideally you wouldn't want any more than about 5% of aircraft flying at the time to be one of the special types.  If we find that too many of these planes are flying, we can impose other limitations on them, like 2 airfields per country (ideally in the far rear near the HQ) where you can fly these aircraft from.  My idea here is that a country that has been pushed into a corner will be able to use a few of these special planes to better defend itself.

Picture the following scenario:  The rooks have been pushed into a corner by the knights and bish.  Just as enemy bombers begin to rain destruction on the hq and city, a small force of Me262s break through the clouds, shooting down many of the bombers.  After an hour of bombing however, all rooks have used up their supply of special planes and will have to fly regular planes again.
  On the ground a group of Panzers, escorted by flakpanzers make their way toward the rook city.  Opposing them is a group of rook panzers, and also a small number of Tiger tanks.  (Tigers could be considered part of the special set, and available at only rear vehicle bases.)  With the help of the Tigers, the rooks are able to hold off the knights first thrust.  Soon though, the Tigers are gone and the rooks begin to lose ground to the knight ground offensive.


   I'm sure HTC can come up with a system far superior to a RPS similar to what I'm describing.

How does the above system sound?




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[easymo]

 Jeez, do you guys really want to fly around gettin sprayed 5 or 6 times and then RTB. WB already has that. Here if you drop you guard even for a moment, your dead. What could be better than that.

[Mox]

 

Originally posted by Torque:
Pyro please lock anything that has F4u and cannons in it please.!!

Torgue,  You're a good stick you can give up your crutch (F4UC) now.

Mox
TWC

[Kieren]

This was something I had suggested for the DoA HA... have specific a/c available at specific fields. If you take or close those fields- no hated <insert plane name here>.

I don't know how that would fit into the arena concept we have here, but it is food for thought... moreover, it would give a strategy element to field capture we haven't yet seen...

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
Can't see another arena being added with the same things as the main arena.. only less of them.

I can see a historical arena being added.. with some type of specific front battle...

AKDejaVu

What Deja said, it's too early for an arena dedicated  to RPS due to limited A/C...though I WOULD like to see one "down the road"....



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[Greg 'wmutt' Cook]

I'm against an RPS. We pay to fly our favorite rides and should be able to fly them no matter what day it is, how many airfields my country has left, or how bad I suck at it (this being a reference to the ubber-planes for hi score idea).  What I think we need is more events.  Maybe a group of ambitious young go-getters that want to organize something along the lines of the SLs, and EMCs of the brand W sim. (no, I'm not volunteering )
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[Hangtime]

Sifter.. my apologies. I'm so completly dead-set against anything the smells like an RPS I tend to get cranky at the sight of those three letters; and stop thinking/reading instantly. Sure.. an additional RPS arena would be fine.. as long as I ain't forced to fly in it.

LOL Mox... do you REALLY wanna see him back in the Nik?

Torques one of those guys that no mattter what he flies; yer prolly gonna get a nylon let down if he finds you. If yah wanna kill this guy yer prolly gonna have to get a rifle; and peg him when he steps up on the wing... before the damn engine turns over.  

Hang

[-towd_]

torq boy is a dude that sets up vulches and takes advantage of them over and over again with no aim at any goal but padding his  score ( at the expence of any other team mates that might be convenient cannon fodder to aid hes escape ), runs like a scared dog in any close to equal situation. i have seen it over and over again , ask caveman or anyone else who can really fly . all 40 g ' superturns ( never see anyone else do them )and long setups for score hoar augers to avoid kills at 300 kn. when bishes are down to a few bases and score hurtin defence is called for he dissapears and yall still sing the praises of the bugger.

well not me !

unlike your self hang you fight the good fight and will fight your way out of a hole half of the time ( love losin to ya half the time) cant figgure why you support the bully