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Offline Phil

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Why is Allies vs Axis always empty ???
« on: July 24, 2007, 10:50:13 PM »
Been playing the game for approx 1 year.
Never at one time ever seen numbers in that arena ...  Why ?

Would love to be in there fighting real situations.
What I mean is when I'm up in a Spit, I would expect to fight a German plane....(Europeen theatre)
If I go up in a Corsair F4U, I would confront a Jap plane....(Pacific Theatre)

I find it not so interesting when I'm up in a P51 and minutes later I'm enaged with another P51....

Why is that arena never occupied ?
Does it take one individual to recruit players in other arenas and initiate a battle scenario in the A.V.A ?

Any input anyone ?

Phil
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Offline BennyBeaver

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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2007, 11:13:20 PM »
i would be there ASAP if there was enough people..this game is filled will people who hate realism and rather fight p51d's to p51'ds
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Offline ROC

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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2007, 11:19:21 PM »
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i would be there ASAP if there was enough people


It's amazing how many people say this.  It's said time and time again.

Yet, if those people Went in, there Would be enough people.

Hmmm..go figure :)
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2007, 11:19:24 PM »
There aren't enough LA'7s, Niki's, and spixteens. The scores don't count towards  the MA. You might have to fight 1v1 due to the lower numbers. There isn't any reason to milkrun, and the Maps are different.
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too bad....
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2007, 11:51:48 PM »
Darn score board ...
Darn BORING milk runs....
Darn CHEAP victories when an adversary is shot down because beiing outnumbered 10 to 1....

I will admit that I am not playing much in LATE arenas for the above reasons.
I've been playing mostly in EARLY and MID war.
Yes I agree, I fly and come back "cold" guns sometimes BUT when I scrap, I get a good fight WIN or LOSE.
Then I try the late arenas. Wow ! I get 5 kills and more ! Many of them are cheap no sweat kills ! Why ? Poor guy was outnumbered ! The poor guy was a NEW player because he wanted to jump in an arena where there is 300 players !
I believe if you really want to learn to dogfight, challenge one plane ! Then go ahead jump in when there is 2 and then 3 adversaries... You will often find this in Early and Mid....

Groups / Squads are split up everywhere because of scores and ranks.
Everyone needs to do their "milkrun" because they want to LOWER their scores... Unfortunately there's a cost !
TEAMPLAY tends to detoriate !

Saying this with respect.
Everyone is free to do what they wish for their $$.00

Just my opinion !
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Phil
« Last Edit: July 24, 2007, 11:54:04 PM by Phil »
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Offline hubsonfire

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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2007, 11:57:51 PM »
The AvA used to have it's own crowd of regulars, and if you didn't mind the small pond/ big fish attitude of some of that group, you could really have some fun. The Karelia setup, imo, was a great deal of fun, as well as being an absolutely gorgeous map.

However, nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd, and as ROC hinted, someone has to get that first crowd established. It remains empty simply because no one wants to log in first and wait. I'm as guilty of that as anyone, so I'm not criticizing or anything, just saying.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2007, 12:08:27 AM »
In my opinion I like AvA alot, the fights are better there and it takes more finesse and skill rather than uber rides.  If you want to learn ACM and not just take an LA7 and ho everything this arena is the place to learn.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2007, 12:13:17 AM »
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In my opinion I like AvA alot, the fights are better there and it takes more finesse and skill rather than uber rides.  If you want to learn ACM and not just take an LA7 and ho everything this arena is the place to learn.
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Agreed. I think the biggest problem is the guys that like this setup are often those with the least amount of time to play. Its a catch 22, I'd be there if the numbers were there, but I don't have time to wait around for numbers to build.
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2007, 12:19:24 AM »
We've tried to get numbers in there to generate the crowd, but it quickly degrades into an MA style HO fest.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2007, 12:27:36 AM »
Yeah, I hate when it degenerates like that. :mad:
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Offline Nilsen

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2007, 04:21:16 AM »
What would be fun if it ever could be arranged was if one big squad "challenged" or invited another big squad to meet in AvA for some fun and they could both bring as many walk-ons from outside the squad as they could find.

Set a time and date and then take it from there. When people then log on and see alot of others in the AvA they may also pop in and the ball is rolling. Im sure there are enough large squads that would be interested in having some fun in AvA. After an hour or so they could switch sides and start over.
« Last Edit: July 25, 2007, 04:32:06 AM by Nilsen »
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2007, 05:38:19 AM »
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What would be fun if it ever could be arranged was if one big squad "challenged" or invited another big squad to meet in AvA for some fun and they could both bring as many walk-ons from outside the squad as they could find.

Set a time and date and then take it from there. When people then log on and see alot of others in the AvA they may also pop in and the ball is rolling. Im sure there are enough large squads that would be interested in having some fun in AvA. After an hour or so they could switch sides and start over.



I agree...talk to Rattfink because this is something that we(the VF-31)  enjoy. I can't fly FSO, but would love to battle in an historic(kinda) situation. I'm sure something could get worked out. It would be fun.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2007, 06:29:47 AM »
if there are four players in the AvA and two of them aren't axer and dextur you will have some good fights most of the time, unless you are a novice.  if it's axer and dextur on they will be playing for score or never leave the ack and that gets old.  if you run across players such as constel, 1duke1, maha, avaro, platano, truekill, N7, Tbarone, slash27 or oldman you are in for a fight.  if the squads are playing you will not land kills unless you run.

the maps in the AvA are a nice change from the MAs.
 
what I like about it is if I hear an allied engine I know I need to manuever now so it adds an additional element to the SA equation while at the same time reducing pile-it workload.  your hearing is an important sense in the AvA and you have much better immersion in the game.

I like not fighting a spit in a pony and such I like allied vs axis, even with four players on.

the thing is if you go in there and it's basically a 2v2 and you aren't good you will scamper to the safety of the MA because chances are extremely good you will have your head handed to you with very little effort on the part of the handee.

The AvA, where the elite meet, dextur and axer not withstanding.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2007, 06:45:08 AM »
I pop in there now & again I have found what few are there are not the same cut as the main arena's almost no 200 bs except for good kill when you shoot some one down :huh no ho's:huh . Also those few who are in there almost fly no other arena's. So when your tail is handed to you by some one you have never heard of don't be surprised. Because they will do it to you time time again. Big thumbs up for the arena :aok Would be nice to see more people in there only if they can behave like those for the most part I have come across.
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2007, 07:26:52 AM »
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What would be fun if it ever could be arranged was if one big squad "challenged" or invited another big squad to meet in AvA for some fun and they could both bring as many walk-ons from outside the squad as they could find.  

We have had a few squadrons do this over the past few months, generally with great success.  Why not see what you can organize?

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