Author Topic: Allied vs Allied vs Allied...... Axis who? (Read 1921 times)

tedrbr · « **on:** July 25, 2007, 02:25:10 PM »

After reading the Why is Allies vs Axis always empty ??? thread, among other topics, I looked at a few numbers and trends in the game.

The Allies have 54 vehicles and aircraft modeled.
The Axis have 31 vehicles and aircraft modeled.

The Allies have 49 vehicles and aircraft for European Theater of Operations (ETO) use.
The Axis have 23 vehicles and aircraft for ETO use.

The Allies have about 45 vehicles and aircraft for Pacific Theater of Operation Use.
The Axis have 8 vehicles and aircraft for PTO use.

The Allies have 5 aircraft (9 if you throw in Lend-Lease P40's, Hurris, Spits, and C-47's) to fly on the Russian Front, the Axis has about 16 or 17.

The Allies have 10 CV enabled planes to the Axis 4 CV planes.
The Allies have 3 heavy bombers to the Axis 1 heavy bomber.
The Allies have 5 land based medium buffs and heavy attack planes to the Axis 4 plus 1 jet bomber.

Versions and Additions.
04/2007 ver 2.10 Added Sherman Firefly
11/2006 ver 2.09 Added F4UA1
03/2006 ver 2.07 Added the Jeep, B-17 updated
11/2005 ver 2.06 Spit and 109 lineup changes: Added Bf 109G-14, Spitfire XVI, Spitfire VIII. Changed the 109G-10 to a 109K-4. Changed the Spitfire Vc to a Vb
07/2005 ver 2.04 P47N (?)
01/2005 ver 2.02 Added P38 F (? later G) and J
11/2004 ver 2.01 Added B24J, T34, and Ki84
06/2004 ver 2.00
before that was Beta
If anyone has a correction to that, or could add the history of additions prior to ver 2.00, please do.

That's 3 additions in the last 20 months, All Allied.
That's 12 additions in the last 37 months, 10 Allies and 2 Axis.

If these trends continue, what will the result be for AvA and SEA events? What about for the future ToD if it ever sees the light of day? Is the future of the game to be dominated by Allied aircraft facing off in the LW arenas?
I realize it is an American made game with an American player base slant, but wasn't "fair play" also once considered an American ideal (this is still a game)? If the Allied, especially Western Allied, plane sets continue to grow and the Axis sets stay stagnant, what will happen to AvA and SEA?

Stampf · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2007, 02:26:27 PM »

BMathis · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2007, 02:28:53 PM »

Good point there.

Shuffler · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2007, 02:36:15 PM »

bnasty... shhh or I'll drive over from pasadena and steal your propeller

They had plans for a sub.... but that idea sank........

BMathis · « **Reply #4 on:** July 25, 2007, 02:39:04 PM »

Seriously?

Masherbrum · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2007, 02:54:10 PM »

I agree with Ted.

Boston's were added in 2004 I thought.

BlauK · « **Reply #6 on:** July 25, 2007, 02:59:09 PM »

If and when the allied set again gets more planes, I truly wish they would be early/mid war stuff for Eastern Front

PanzerIV · « **Reply #7 on:** July 25, 2007, 03:06:45 PM »

Axis needs some heavy bombers, ki67, Ju88, Ar 234 cant cause the destruction the massive Allied bombers reap.

storch · « **Reply #8 on:** July 25, 2007, 03:09:14 PM »

in HTC's defense there really isn't a whole lot more stuff to add.

we could use some more axis heavy fighters and bombers for all of the axis nations but how much of an impact would that really make in the MA.

I'd love to see tante Ju (Ju52) but keep in mind that an IJ skin for the DC-3 would be accurate as the Japanese had license built DC-3s prior to the outbreak of hostilities. that actually makes the DC-3 an allied as well as an axis transport.

I would love to see more additions to axis line up but I'm not going to hold my breath until they are added.

we have a pretty darn good game as it is and I'm sure HTC will be adding more stuff in time.

I'm sure that they understand that life and this game are dynamic, if you aren't moving forward then you are falling behind.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 25, 2007, 03:12:57 PM »

Just out of curiousity and to play devils advocate.

What LW fighters would you add for example?

They had two main fighters the 109 and 190 of which there are numerous variants in AH

The best bomber they had is in the game with the 88. i suppose you could argue for some of the later solid nose night fighter versions.

They have the only jets in the game in the 163 and 262

What else would you add?

Consider that you didn't want the 25 because it would be a 'hanger queen' and useless for the MA.

Part of the problem is that there were that many more main Allied rides.

2 for the LW we have both and the 2 jets.
5 for the USAAF of which we have 4 (thinking P38, 39, 40, 47 and 51)
3 for the USN

So we have 7 of 8 US fighters and both the LW main rides. What else to add?

Throw in the RAF rides and the numbers are gonna slant Allied as they had that many more types in action.

The numbers are easy to twist if we only look at numbers.

What other rides are gonna work that are LW for example?

Guppy35 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2007, 03:14:43 PM »

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Originally posted by PanzerIV
Axis needs some heavy bombers, ki67, Ju88, Ar 234 cant cause the destruction the massive Allied bombers reap.

And what heavy bomber did they have?

Part of the LW's downfall was their shortsighted view of long range bombers.

He 177? We gonna model the problems that one had?

Condor? Never flew bombing raids. You wanna solo patrol the waters?

storch · « **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2007, 03:24:04 PM »

I would add the
Me410
He219 with the 6x20mm
Ju88 G-7 with 6x20mm
He129B-1
FiatG55
IAR80
Re2005
Later model of the Ki84
J2M3
a Ki whatever twin heavy fighter

and that would be about five years worth of code I guess so probably will never happen.

Stampf · « **Reply #12 on:** July 25, 2007, 03:25:02 PM »

We already have the best in the 88. An He111 and Do17 would be a blast for scenario and AvA stuff.

I'd love a Ju52...just cuz I'm weird like that.

A Me410 would make my day, as well as any one of the upgunned Stukas. Now they did make a differance in the battlefront, and would be widely used I would think.

Panther of course.

storch · « **Reply #13 on:** July 25, 2007, 03:25:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Guppy35
And what heavy bomber did they have?

Part of the LW's downfall was their shortsighted view of long range bombers.

He 177? We gonna model the problems that one had?

Condor? Never flew bombing raids. You wanna solo patrol the waters?

Piaggo P-108? it saw service and was every bit the equal of the B17.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 25, 2007, 03:31:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Stampf
We already have the best in the 88. An He111 and Do17 would be a blast for scenario and AvA stuff.

I'd love a Ju52...just cuz I'm weird like that.

A Me410 would make my day, as well as any one of the upgunned Stukas. Now they did make a differance in the battlefront, and would be widely used I would think.

Panther of course.

Basically it comes down to one main point in adding planes.

Does it get added for the MA or does it get added for SEA, AvA and Scenario events?

I'm all for adding a ton of stuff for the latter, but if the MA is the goal, then the list gets awfully short because the majority of players want the latest and the best.

Personally i'd add a bunch of early war stuff when the issue was still in doubt or even pre US entering the fray stuff or even Spanish Civil war era stuff. Ratas and 109Bs, He 51s, some of the Curtiss biplanes, an F3F, a Nate, Oscar, CW-21 and those kind of birds just for the fun factor.

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