Payin your Tax's???

[wrag]

Things are changing?????????

This report SEEMS to say so.........

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=56855


And this site has info???????????

http://www.truthattack.org/

[majic]

"He said the free exchange of labor for compensation has been upheld as a right by the Supreme Court, but that doesn't necessarily make the compensation income.

If ever such an argument were to be presented widely, Cryer said, the income to the federal government would plummet. But not to worry, he said, the expenses could be reduced equally by eliminating programs, departments and agencies that also have no foundation in the Constitution."

What color is the sky in this guy's world?

[lazs2]

You need to read further...

""The Founding Fathers intentionally restricted the taxing powers of the new federal government as a measure of restraint on its size. By exceeding that limited taxing authority the federal government has been able to obtain resources beyond its intended reach, and that money has enabled the federal government to exceed its authority," he said.

For example, he said, the Constitution does not empower the federal government to regulate education, or employment, and agriculture, yet it does so. "

The planet he is on is the one our founders walked on.  It is unfortunate that we have let things get so out of hand.   If I ever wished a lawyer success it would be this guy.

He won by contending that a business like walmart for instance...  they get to deduct all the expenses out of their income before they get taxed..  Our labor is also an expense and belongs to us.. yet... we are taxed on every bit of money we are payed for it.

anyone who has ever worked knows that it  takes a toll.   That we are not having some party and loving going to work.   It is our labor that we are getting paid on... there is no income... we are trading labor for money to live.

He contends that only investment or free money should be taxed.  Interest income for instance...  

lazs

[storch]

the country would collapse.   the govt would implement a VAT or the govt would tax business and business would increase the cost of goods and services.  you are not getting around taxation nor should you

[lasersailor184]

Not so quick Storch.  You can't tax the company's right to freely choose to trade their labor!



I have always thought that Taxes are legal extortion / theft.  This is downright hilarious!

[storch]

how do you fund the country?  keep in mind those bureaucracies are staffed by fellow citizens who are gainfully employed and contribute to the economic centrifuge.

the formula we have works maybe not perfectly but it works.

[john9001]

Originally posted by storch
how do you fund the country?  

you don't mean fund the country, you mean fund the huge bureaucracy that the govt has become.

[mietla]

Originally posted by storch
how do you fund the country?  

after we kick all the illegals out, we'll need 20 million of fruit pickers to replace them. Win - win I say

[TalonX]

How about they live within their means, like we do...

If there is not enough money, cut programs....like we do.....(don't make that purchase, you can't afford it!)

And, I am all for a massive shrinking of the government....going to the constitution and tearing down all unsupported institutions of the federal government would ROCK!

In any event - I am sick of them increasing their budgets... We should have a flat tax, and the government should trim to size to accomodate whatever income they have.

[vorticon]

Originally posted by TalonX
How about they live within their means, like we do...

If there is not enough money, cut programs....like we do.....(don't make that purchase, you can't afford it!)

And, I am all for a massive shrinking of the government....going to the constitution and tearing down all unsupported institutions of the federal government would ROCK!

In any event - I am sick of them increasing their budgets... We should have a flat tax, and the government should trim to size to accomodate whatever income they have.

flat income tax, or sales tax on anything other than food and rent?

[storch]

Originally posted by mietla
after we kick all the illegals out, we'll need 20 million of fruit pickers to replace them. Win - win I say

that sounds interesting but neither of those two things will ever occur.  more likely what we will see is a common monetary system for north america and a further integration with our northern and southern neighbor an even bigger bureaucracy and more taxation for canadians and americans as we drag mexico into the modern era.

[majic]

Originally posted by lazs2
You need to read further...

He contends that only investment or free money should be taxed.  Interest income for instance...  

lazs

Investment can be taken to mean a trade too, applying the same logic.  Someone gets the use of my money in return for some more later.

[wrag]

Originally posted by storch
that sounds interesting but neither of those two things will ever occur.  more likely what we will see is a common monetary system for north america and a further integration with our northern and southern neighbor an even bigger bureaucracy and more taxation for canadians and americans as we drag mexico into the modern era.

IMHO Storch may have it CORRECT!

Lookin at some of the information posted regarding what appears to be a North American Union, which seems to be some kind of answer to the EU?

[storch]

Originally posted by wrag
IMHO Storch may have it CORRECT!

Lookin at some of the information posted regarding what appears to be a North American Union, which seems to be some kind of answer to the EU?

it will go beyond that after my lifetime.  I suspect my kids will see the greater antilles to be included in this co-prosperity sphere and any one of us afforded the opportunity to select where within this union we will live and work.

provided that global warming caused catastrophic flooding doesn't diminish north america into a series of islands that is.

(personally, I believe that the ocean conveyor will shut down ushering in another iceage making the carribbean the place where northern europeans will flock to and further mess up with their screwy ideas but don't tell hortland I typed this.)

[lazs2]

storch... how do you stop runaway socialism from happening then?   By your reasoning...  They can tax more and more and more and grow government to any size so long as they have a program that it goes to... could be anything.

I am saying that they need to live within their means...  I am saying that 90% of the programs the government are in are not ones that we need or that the constitution wanted them to start.

The very premis of taxation is that no tax is too much so long as there is one person making or having any more than any other person.  

And if you do that then... you can limit peoples freedom since you are paying for everything they own and everything they are.

Nope.. the only way to limit government is to limit taxes.

lazs