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Offline Rich46yo

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« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2007, 06:27:41 AM »
Fellas the B-26 is a real sweetheart to drive. How come I dont see it in the air more?
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« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2007, 06:45:59 AM »
Light load, no belly gunner.

However with a few other guys it makes a very good NOE bomber.

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« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2007, 04:32:41 PM »
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Light load, no belly gunner.

However with a few other guys it makes a very good NOE bomber.


                       Ive used the belly guns but its the tale that gets most of the action. And if I remember right the 26 carries 1,600 in the tale, or is it 1,200? Either way the 26 seems to cover itself well. Its the best handling and turning bomber Ive flown yet, tho it would be nice to have 15 or 20 mph more.
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« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2007, 04:45:00 PM »
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Hey Hap, thanks for the input. Listen I suck with the metric system, despite 2 years "over there" with the War Corp. Those metric bombs for the JU how do they stack up against the Yank ones?..........Thanks......Rich"soontobe 50yo".


Kg x 2 ~ Lbs.

Not exact but close enough for comparison.

The 1800Kg bomb on the Ju-87 is actually about the same as the 4000lb cookie in the Lanc.
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« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2007, 05:13:47 PM »
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Ive used the belly guns but its the tale that gets most of the action. And if I remember right the 26 carries 1,600 in the tale, or is it 1,200? Either way the 26 seems to cover itself well. Its the best handling and turning bomber Ive flown yet, tho it would be nice to have 15 or 20 mph more.


Rear guns get most attention because so many intercepting pilots simply chase or come in from a low 6 position against buffs.  B-26's relative speed helps this a bit.  

Most B-26's are flow low to prevent a good interceptor from coming up below you where it's hard to train your guns.  High altitude B-26's would be dead meat to a good interceptor with some patience and E to work with.  

15 to 20mph more?  how 'bout 65 mph more in top speed.... opps... we don't get that plane here......never mind.

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« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2007, 05:24:03 PM »
I believe that 1 kg = 2.2 lbs.

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« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2007, 05:36:32 PM »
Dang Lusche, did you put on some weight?? :lol

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« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2007, 07:38:48 PM »
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Rear guns get most attention because so many intercepting pilots simply chase or come in from a low 6 position against buffs.  B-26's relative speed helps this a bit.  

Most B-26's are flow low to prevent a good interceptor from coming up below you where it's hard to train your guns.  High altitude B-26's would be dead meat to a good interceptor with some patience and E to work with.  

15 to 20mph more?  how 'bout 65 mph more in top speed.... opps... we don't get that plane here......never mind.


                        I agree that the slashers are the toughest. Yaknow in the first 2 minutes of an engagement I can tell when Im in trouble or not. When you see the fighter appraoching and see his technique it tells ya an awful lot. Ive been flying them about 10,000', but my style is to slither around and avoid trouble to get to my drop. And yeah, I just flew the Ar 234 , I avoided 2 fighters simply by running.
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« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2007, 08:14:04 PM »
B26s pretty much lose effectiveness above 10k. They can't keep alt at 15k with 1 engine off, that tells you how underpowered they are at alt.

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« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2007, 08:33:03 PM »
Waist gunners can cover a low con on the lead bomber.  Just switch planes.  Like Krusty said over 10k they ain't so hot.  I use them 6 to 10k and wep helps loads for a short line up :D

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« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2007, 08:34:23 PM »
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« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2007, 10:56:12 PM »
1, I personally love the lancaster because of the bomb load and defenses. 50 cal aint bad. But i am a big fan of the ju88. Mainly for disabling small targets like vh's and radar. But lanc best for hangers. ju88 has great town capabilities because it carries a bunch of small bombs.

2, People use them all the time, especially for vh

3, well first you might want to have the map in your head so you know where all the runways are. As for the descending quickly...well you want to get down to a good altitude very fast. Cut the engine and dive down at 75 degree angle untill you hear creaking. Pull up..slow speed...and repeat. Sty at a good alitude until you are a good distance from the enemy base. Then what i do is drop to 3k feet. Once i approach i put 2 flaps down. 1k till base, gears down. That way the drones are able to get lined up in time. I cant tell you how many noobs put gear down right at runway...they might make it but by by drones. about 10 feet away from runway put 1 more flap down. Touchdown at about 120 knots.

4, Alitude. For me its all about altitude. If there are a serious amount of cons there...attack from the other side if possible. All the cons are worrying about the enemy fighters on 1 side. Sneak to the other. A good alt for that is 25k Most fighters will be out of contact range. But if they see you they arent going to get to you in time. unless stalling. i reccomend do not going around for another pass unless you are experianced. Alot of noobs tend to turn to hard and lose there drones.

5, I depend on guns. A lone luftwaffe fighter may bring some damage but not a kill. 4 mg's vs over 20....who do you think will win. Depend on your drones. When a con is on your six jump to another plane if you are gunner, that way you can get closer to the con and line him up easier. For down...they will try to the on your 6 easier...if they come straight up...gonna stall. Just get in ball turret and wait until close enough...give 4 second blasts. You are likey to take out engine or pilot. For above..if they are 2 or 3k above and they dive..they are going to not be able to pull up in time and might even ram you. Same if they are going down slow going onto your 6. remembe wait till within 800 feet before realesing guns.

6, Once you see target go ahead and slow to a target speed using the dot command. Then go ahead and calibrate...callibrate for 20-30 seconds for best results. Every time you make a major turn or speed up or altitude gain, re-calibrate. When bombing use ailerons to steer you to targer. NO RUDDERS. You are wrong that the X has to be on target. If you do it right on target likely to fall ahead of target therefore missing. Aim ahead of target. Depending on bombload.
7, Town: 15k depending on cons. If alot 20k base: 25k

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« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2007, 04:28:25 AM »
Can I ask you guys somthing? I was landing a 234 yesterday and I overshot the runway by about 10' before I could break to a stop. I didnt damage the plane or nothing but still I had an astromonical amount of points deducted, and this after hitting a target. Now Im not allowed in the bomber again because my point level is to low.

                     What gives? Or is it just very new in the new month and the more experienced guys started making their runs?
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« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2007, 07:00:08 AM »
Benny when you say "aim ahead of target" you mean be a bit early correct? Thats what Ive been doing when Ive been hosing targets with 500 lb's. Whats the best delay set for carpet bombing? And for pinpointing with 1,000's ? Thanks..........Rich



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1, I personally love the lancaster because of the bomb load and defenses. 50 cal aint bad. But i am a big fan of the ju88. Mainly for disabling small targets like vh's and radar. But lanc best for hangers. ju88 has great town capabilities because it carries a bunch of small bombs.

2, People use them all the time, especially for vh

3, well first you might want to have the map in your head so you know where all the runways are. As for the descending quickly...well you want to get down to a good altitude very fast. Cut the engine and dive down at 75 degree angle untill you hear creaking. Pull up..slow speed...and repeat. Sty at a good alitude until you are a good distance from the enemy base. Then what i do is drop to 3k feet. Once i approach i put 2 flaps down. 1k till base, gears down. That way the drones are able to get lined up in time. I cant tell you how many noobs put gear down right at runway...they might make it but by by drones. about 10 feet away from runway put 1 more flap down. Touchdown at about 120 knots.

4, Alitude. For me its all about altitude. If there are a serious amount of cons there...attack from the other side if possible. All the cons are worrying about the enemy fighters on 1 side. Sneak to the other. A good alt for that is 25k Most fighters will be out of contact range. But if they see you they arent going to get to you in time. unless stalling. i reccomend do not going around for another pass unless you are experianced. Alot of noobs tend to turn to hard and lose there drones.

5, I depend on guns. A lone luftwaffe fighter may bring some damage but not a kill. 4 mg's vs over 20....who do you think will win. Depend on your drones. When a con is on your six jump to another plane if you are gunner, that way you can get closer to the con and line him up easier. For down...they will try to the on your 6 easier...if they come straight up...gonna stall. Just get in ball turret and wait until close enough...give 4 second blasts. You are likey to take out engine or pilot. For above..if they are 2 or 3k above and they dive..they are going to not be able to pull up in time and might even ram you. Same if they are going down slow going onto your 6. remembe wait till within 800 feet before realesing guns.

6, Once you see target go ahead and slow to a target speed using the dot command. Then go ahead and calibrate...callibrate for 20-30 seconds for best results. Every time you make a major turn or speed up or altitude gain, re-calibrate. When bombing use ailerons to steer you to targer. NO RUDDERS. You are wrong that the X has to be on target. If you do it right on target likely to fall ahead of target therefore missing. Aim ahead of target. Depending on bombload.
7, Town: 15k depending on cons. If alot 20k base: 25k
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« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2007, 08:01:02 AM »
234's cost you perk points. By over shooting the runway by 10 feet, or even if you just have one wheel off, you loose all the perk point you paid to fly the 234. If you land and end flight on the runway, you get your perk points returned and the trip didn't cost you any.

Perk points carry over month after month, but when your new it takes a while to build a bank of points.