Author Topic: So how many B-25 variants are we going to have? (Read 2485 times)

1K3 · « **on:** July 27, 2007, 01:47:33 PM »

and what variant model is the B-25 with a tank gun?

Spikes · « **Reply #1 on:** July 27, 2007, 01:52:33 PM »

Guppy35 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 27, 2007, 01:54:15 PM »

G and H had had the 75 mm

Unless they redo the fuselage of the C/D, I'd guess we'd get the G as it's much the same with the Top Turret behind the bomb bay etc.

H had a different tail gunner position, waist guns, and the top turret moved forward of the bomb bay.

rogerdee · « **Reply #3 on:** July 27, 2007, 02:02:30 PM »

didnt later versions of the c have waist guns too?

Wotan · « **Reply #4 on:** July 27, 2007, 02:05:02 PM »

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Originally posted by rogerdee
didnt later versions of the c have waist guns too?

Many of the B-25C/D used in the MTO were modified to their improve defensive armament:

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321st Bombardment Group had 57 of their B-25Cs and Ds fitted with additional guns before being dispatched to Africa. This work was done at the Warner Robins Air Logistics Center in Georgia. The virtually useless retractable ventral turret was removed and the hole in the floor left by the vacant turret was structured over. Larger windows were cut into the aft fuselage and a single 0.50-inch waist gun was mounted behind each window. A single flexible machine gun was installed in the extreme tail operated by a gunner sitting underneath a raised canopy that was somewhat similar to that later installed on the B-25H and J versions.

Additional airplanes were modified at the Sidi Ahmed Air Base at Bizerte. In addition to the extra defensive guns, more armor production was provided, with plates being added underneath the pilot's seats, forward of the instrument panel, on the waist gun floor, and on the floor and sides of the tail gun position.

More than 300 B-25Cs and Ds from the 12th, 310th, 321st, and 340th Bombardment Groups were processed. These planes served throughout the Mediterranean campaign from Tunisia to the final German surrender in northern Italy. Many of these modifications were later introduced on the production line with the B-25H and J versions.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #5 on:** July 27, 2007, 02:53:35 PM »

You can find photos of modified C/Ds with waist guns, extra nose guns, tail guns etc.

I'm talking about a purpose built waist position with large windows and guns on each side in them along with the tail

G on top with added waist guns in small window, generally a single 50 in the tail in an unenclosed position. two 50s in the nose for siting and no sid gun packs along with the turret behind bomb bay

H had 4 50s in nose, 4 in gun packs below cockpit, 2 in the waist and two in the tail as well as 2 in the top turret moved forward. A much deadlier beast.

both had the 75s

Serenity · « **Reply #6 on:** July 27, 2007, 03:19:11 PM »

Does the G also carry bombs? (Sorry I dont know anything about the B-25...)

Masherbrum · « **Reply #7 on:** July 27, 2007, 04:02:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Serenity
Does the G also carry bombs? (Sorry I dont know anything about the B-25...)

Nevermind, sometimes answering a question is pointless.

tedrbr · « **Reply #8 on:** July 27, 2007, 04:05:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Serenity
Does the G also carry bombs? (Sorry I dont know anything about the B-25...)

IIRC 3,000 to 3,200 lb capacity for bombs in a G.

The pics show what appear to be the C/D and G versions of the B-25.

One pic however shows a partially glass nosed straffer though?

8-pack in nose and four in fuselage-mounted pods (which first showed up in the H version, IIRC) much like a J, but J (and later H's) had a forward mounted dorsal turret, tail gun, and side gun positions, which this does not.

Now, it's generally been assumed field mods would not make it into the game, so it there a factory version of a C/D, G, or H that matches that one shown, or are field mods no longer to be considered taboo in AHII? Or is it a recognition about the great number of field mods this particular plane saw in the war? Did the fuselage pods arrive before the H version?
Just curious, as I've just other forum members word about the "field mods" thing and have never seen anything official from HTC regarding the matter.

Serenity · « **Reply #9 on:** July 27, 2007, 04:10:29 PM »

As long as there is a straight bomber version, Ill be happy!

Krusty · « **Reply #10 on:** July 27, 2007, 04:11:41 PM »

The screenshots show only 4 in the nose and 4 in the cheeks.

Also, I thought at first it was a painted glazed nose, but on second thought I think it's just not finished yet. The tail planes are boxed of, as are the cheek guns. I think he's just still modeling the windows, is all.

Wes14 · « **Reply #11 on:** July 27, 2007, 04:13:46 PM »

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Originally posted by Serenity
As long as there is a straight bomber version, Ill be happy!

ill be happy in one i could dogfight or at least try to.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 27, 2007, 06:34:21 PM »

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Originally posted by tedrbr
IIRC 3,000 to 3,200 lb capacity for bombs in a G.

The pics show what appear to be the C/D and G versions of the B-25.

One pic however shows a partially glass nosed straffer though? 8-pack in nose and four in fuselage-mounted pods (which first showed up in the H version, IIRC) much like a J, but J (and later H's) had a forward mounted dorsal turret, tail gun, and side gun positions, which this does not.

Now, it's generally been assumed field mods would not make it into the game, so it there a factory version of a C/D, G, or H that matches that one shown, or are field mods no longer to be considered taboo in AHII? Or is it a recognition about the great number of field mods this particular plane saw in the war? Did the fuselage pods arrive before the H version?
Just curious, as I've just other forum members word about the "field mods" thing and have never seen anything official from HTC regarding the matter.

The Strafer was a 5th Air Force Mod. Any B25C/Ds that came to them went through that process. In that regard it's not a field mod in that an entire air force was modifying the 25s before they got to the field.

5th AF requirements for example had their B24s coming without Ball turrets and they had tunnel guns installed instead as the conditions they operated in tended to make the ball turrets useless.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 27, 2007, 06:36:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
The screenshots show only 4 in the nose and 4 in the cheeks.

Also, I thought at first it was a painted glazed nose, but on second thought I think it's just not finished yet. The tail planes are boxed of, as are the cheek guns. I think he's just still modeling the windows, is all.

Understand that the painted noses on the C/D strafers were just that. They painted over the glazing as there was no one in there to look out. So you will see some with the front of the nose still showing the glazing at times.

The gun packs were all part of Pappy Gunn's conversion for the 5th AF of the B25C/D into a strafer.

The original cheek guns were in a single pod with 2 guns sticking out, not the later two pod set up of the H and J versions.

Wotan · « **Reply #14 on:** July 27, 2007, 06:56:32 PM »

Like this one:

B-25H-1NA - IL-2 Skinners 'trick' to paint over the glaze...