P-38H

[SgtPappy]

Yea I've read up a few posts on the forums and concluded that it seems strange that we don't have the P-38H instead of the G, or, like the 109G6 to the G2, why we don't have it added.

Please don't destroy my puny and markedly stoopider mind, but I think it would be best to have the main ETO P-38 available in this game.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

The G and the J were added a while back. While I feel the reasoning was faulty, the main reason for adding the G as opposed to the H was that the H was very close to the J, and the J is close to the L. You are correct, the two fighter groups that started out with the 8th in late 1943 started with the H, not the G. And the G is not really an adequate substitute for the H. I doubt we'll see the P-38 get the same number of individual models as there are of the Spitfire or the 109. I don't really think the H is the primary P-38 of the ETO. The P-38J began to enter service in December of 1943, the P-38H had only been there since October.

[SgtPappy]

H very close to the J? hmm. the last I checked, it was more than 500 lbs lighter.

Also, its only 200 lbs heavier than a G while having 200 extra hp. To me, it's like a very nicely turning P-38J, but slightly easier to overheat.

As much as I love MesserSpits, it seems vastly unfair that we have so many models that are similar while not having the P-38H. The Spitfire XVI is very similar to the VIII but with clipped wings. That in itself is a relatively small modification. I mean think about it. If we only had the VIII and someone asked for a clipped wing XVI, many people would yell and whine... but we have it. To say that the H, turning like a G but climbing like a J is too similar to a J to be added, then that seems to make me think that the Spitfire XVI is just too similar to the VIII to have been added.

The F4U as well, though my main ride, is something of the same sort. The F4U-1A climbs and accels like the D, but turns like the 1-hog. It's actually similar in every way to the D-hog but it's just lacking pylons. The similarities are so obvious that the H should justly be added. The A-hog is to the D-hog as the P-38H is to the P-38J... if you get my drift. Or does it need a completely different ordnance load to be considered 'different enough'? If it's a matter of numbers, go perk it. Consider this: The C-hog = a D-hog with 4x 20mm, practically identical in every other way. Yes, the perk ordnance system will replace it, but it's not the end for the C-hog.

As for the 109, we have the G6 which really, doesn't seem very much of an addon. They say it's fun, and I don't disagree, but you'd might as well take a G2.

[Karnak]

The XVI has clipped wings, less fuel, .50 cals and wing hard points when compared to the VIII.

It is also natural that there will be more versions of the Spitfire and Bf109 as they were in the fight from the begining to the end, from before the US was at all.  The Spit and 109 versions are more about time than simularity or lack of simularity.


That said, the more the merrier.  A P-38H would increase the granularity of the P-38 set, and that is always a good thing.

[DaddyAck]

I love all 38s, I would not oppose any effort to add new variants. But dude seriously don't knock the G brother its a great plane in its own right, I use it alot.  I would still like to see the droop snoot J variants that would be great.  But really any planes they add fill in gaps here and there, but to be honest HTC has a great product and it just keeps getting better and given enough time im sure more planes/variants will be added so dont fret about it man.

[Ack-Ack]

Drop Snoop would be useless in AH.  


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[DaddyAck]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Drop Snoop would be useless in AH.  


ack-ack

Why?  then I could dump my ords from altitude, destroy my target and not have to dive down into the fray.  Less mess that way.

[Ack-Ack]

no defense, it would be fodder for any late war fighter.



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[ScorpCH]

what about the 38 they had that had the 37mm cannon instead of the 20mm on it?  hell then you got youself a dual engined 109k4 flyign around (yes i know thats a 30mm on the k4 so spare me the critisism).  i think it would just be fun to dive in on a bomber and the guy thinking, oh its just a 38.  few rounds later, 3 37mm cannon rounds rip his wing or fuselage off and he is left floating to the ground going WTF?

[Treize69]

Those were the E, very few saw combat before the F began to reach the line. They only saw action in the Aleutians and I think a few in the SWPA before they were replaced.

The 37mm was extremely problematic, almost always jammed after 2 or 3 rounds.

[Widewing]

Originally posted by Treize69
Those were the E, very few saw combat before the F began to reach the line. They only saw action in the Aleutians and I think a few in the SWPA before they were replaced.

The 37mm was extremely problematic, almost always jammed after 2 or 3 rounds.

All E models sent to the Aleutians were upgraded to F configuration fuel systems by Lockheed before the were deployed. Moreover, it was the E model that introduced the 20mm (Oldsmobile built Hispano) replacing the 37mm of the D model.

My regards,

Widewing

[Treize69]

Ah, so then the 37mm never saw combat. D's never made it past the ConUS.

So I was one model off, I was working from memory after a 16 hour workday

[Hazard69]

Actually I'd rather see a P38 variant with 8x50cals rather than a 37mm. Much more deadlier. Don't know if any of those saw combat......

[Hoarach]

If the spit dweebs can have 6 variants and the 109s have 6 variants well we 38 dweebs should have 6 variants too.  Give us the 38H.

Hazard, 38L superstrafer was experimental.  It had the ability to have 12x50s, 8 in the nose and 4 in wingpods.  I still want it though.

[Bronk]

P-38-K
That is all.

Bronk