Author Topic: Thunder Bolts (Read 1350 times)

WPmega · « **on:** August 01, 2007, 02:00:28 AM »

my family has a Video of WW2 and it shows that the P47's maybe Heavy ,

BUT could take off of a CV is it just me or can we not do this now? i would

love to take a Jug aka P47 off a CV save me a little time of having to fly so

far to have a great fighter/bomber. the only fighter/bomber on the CV we

have right now is the F6F hellcat and the F4U's.

does anyone think it would be a great idea to have a P47 take off of a CV ?

<~~> WPmega~~

Karnak · « **Reply #1 on:** August 01, 2007, 02:09:45 AM »

No. It would be an ahistorical usage in terms of AH. They were delivered off of CVs a few times, but the same can be said of other fighters as well.

If you want more fighter-bombers ask for something like the Fairy Firefly.

WPmega · « **Reply #2 on:** August 01, 2007, 03:09:24 AM »

well was ganna ask that lol but i liked the P47's more hehe =)

tedrbr · « **Reply #3 on:** August 01, 2007, 10:35:08 AM »

Like Karnak said, Thunderbolts, and other planes, could (and often were in some OTs) be delivered by CV. They were loaded on board by crane beforehand.

They could not operate from CV's as no tail hook and the landing gear and frame were not up to making carrier landings.

Fulmar · « **Reply #4 on:** August 01, 2007, 11:14:01 AM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
No. It would be an ahistorical usage in terms of AH. They were delivered off of CVs a few times, but the same can be said of other fighters as well.

If you want more fighter-bombers ask for something like the Fairy Firefly.

Fairy Fulmar!

WPmega · « **Reply #5 on:** August 03, 2007, 10:45:26 AM »

well like u said they could not land on the CV with no tail hook. but the CV's had a launch system were they could launch the Thunder bolt off of the CV so that it had its speed to get up. yes i understand that we do not have this launch system in HT but it is anther thing that would inprove i mean how many times have people tryed to take a Bomber off of the CV like a TBM and crash into the water or a fighter like a F6F with bombs and hit the ground. its only the people that have been playing for a while that understand how to take off the CV using there flaps. but back to the Thunder Bolts i mean i understand what yall mean but also a the Thunder Bolts carrie more ammo than the other fighters that take off the CV, it has a heavyer payload than the other fighters, also if HT does not want to put the launch system on it well then i know how to take a thunderbolt off of the CV i did it the other day to see how it would work. all u do is back throutle back till u start backing up then u go full power like u would a heavy fighter.

well guys ty for giving to this post and i understand what all of yall are saying but i would still like to see the P47 Thunder Bolt Take off of the CV. i will need some hard hitting information that would tell me that this is a bad idea.

Karnak · « **Reply #6 on:** August 03, 2007, 11:47:15 AM »

1) It is "Thunderbolt" not "Thunder Bolt"

2) It is a bad idea because the P-47 was not designed or used to fly combat operations from a CV. It would never have taken off from a CV while laden with bombs like it would be used in AH.

3) It is not that different from an F6F or F4U in terms of capability.

tedrbr · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2007, 02:39:03 PM »

WPmega.

There is nothing stopping you from using P-47 Thunderbolt (Jugs) from a carrier in the game. You just cant' spawn on the CV with one, but you can land, rearm, and relaunch from one.

Just have to get good at landing on the CV without breaking anything. Slow speed, flaps down, cut throttle and engage brakes when on deck, and stay in control.
Learn to back up to the rearm section of the CV if you go past it on landing. Full flaps and just a tiny bit of throttle..... works with B-26's (I've not tried with Jug, but seems to work with most planes in game). Use rudder to steer... should back up nicely to the cables/rearm area.
Learn to get a Heavy Jug off the deck of a CV. Figure out what load will work, and what is too heavy to work. Practice offline in an arena with Jugs enabled on CV to find out what works for you.
You can also pickle a couple items from your ord load on the deck before you try to take off from the CV after rearming.

But HTC will never enable them on CV's in the online arenas.

WPmega · « **Reply #8 on:** August 05, 2007, 12:58:59 AM »

rgr but they were used with Bombs and rockets off of a CV so i mean not trying to be mean but look up ur history a little harder plz before u post and ok so what i put a space between Thunder and Bolt. Tedrbr i understand that sir just was hopeing that i could get it throught and hope to get it on the CV

Fianna · « **Reply #9 on:** August 05, 2007, 01:15:21 AM »

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Originally posted by WPmega
rgr but they were used with Bombs and rockets off of a CV

I'm not the history buff that others are, but I don't think you have proof to back up that statement.

WPmega · « **Reply #10 on:** August 05, 2007, 01:24:53 AM »

i have a historical video tape that shows P47's fighting, Taking OFF OF CV's and taking off CV's with bombs. if u want me to find a web page that has historical value i will.

WPmega · « **Reply #11 on:** August 05, 2007, 01:42:47 AM »

ok right now i am looking for a webpage that will prove that i am not kiddn about P47's taking off of a CV but my question to u is why do u not think they can when a B 25 michel was able to take off of a CV and i have a webpage to show u that here is that one with the B25 its a picture of the B 25 taking off.

http://www.chinaclassiccar.org/B-25%20departing%20USS%20Hornet.jpg

A B-25 Mitchell taking off from the aircraft carrier USS Hornet, in his intentions of attacking Tokio, 1942

ok now im ganna go back to looking for the one with the P47

WPmega · « **Reply #12 on:** August 05, 2007, 01:47:42 AM »

http://www.battle-fleet.com/pw/his/p47.htm

here is one page. hehe told yea i would find one

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RRGYXMs9n1s

here is anther one YAY im on a roll now lol

WPmega · « **Reply #13 on:** August 05, 2007, 02:10:58 AM »

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2) It is a bad idea because the P-47 was not designed or used to fly combat operations from a CV. It would never have taken off from a CV while laden with bombs

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Learn to get a Heavy Jug off the deck of a CV. Figure out what load will work, and what is too heavy to work. Practice offline in an arena with Jugs enabled on CV to find out what works for you.

reading yalls post again i have seen yall are like missing the key points i put in the CV's had a lauch system and the P47's had no tail hook. now that it has been put in a way were its not so big can u read?

srry to be rude about this but when a post is long no one reads it like the person wanted it to be read.

nirvana · « **Reply #14 on:** August 05, 2007, 03:42:28 AM »

I think perhaps what they are trying to tell you is that P47s weren't at all commonly used off CVs. It lies in the same realm as the Doolittle raid, a one time (or maybe a couple times) but nothing significant enough to garner a place in AH. It is the wishlist though...