Pyro, can you fill us in on Mossie fixes/changes?

[1K3]

Originally posted by zorstorer
Is the N1K2J a new version of the mossy?  I must have missed it in the "Big book O' Mossies"

Mossie is not alone.  There's also problems with other cartoon planes that have not transitioned to AH 2 standards.

N1K2-J:  
- Lacks automatic flaps.
- Rolls too slow even at slow speeds. it should roll 82 deg/sec at 240 mph.

Me 110C-4b
- The worst performing fighter in the Battle of Britain.  In AH it OUTPERFORMS the spit 1 and hurricane 1 with ease.
- The C-4b was fitted with DB 601Ba engines, only ~22 Bf 110Cs were fitted with this engine.  HTC should delete the "b" on the Me 110C-4b and de-rate the engine from DB 601Ba to DB 601B.
- Bf 110F should be added.

Ta 152H
- way too many to lists

P-40E
- This version did not have WEP.  WEP only showed up on later versions of P-40.

Typhoon
- It's too fast in AH and climbs too slow in AH

[Souless]

Hmm get yer head out of your butt bud
only problem with the typhoon is the wing design.
it could not dive at high speeds as it is now its a rocket.
The mossie desperately needed a fm fix as well as a speed and damage fix
i suggest you read some good material
As well as the ta 152 please post something relevent dont say to many things to list
this just precludes you have no idea as to what your talking about.
list it with relevant data next time not something you viewed on the history channel

[Souless]

Originally posted by Krusty
I don't care about flame dampers. The extra MPH won't help it much.

What will help LEAPS and BOUNDS is the damage model and the flip-stalling center of gravity. Fix those and it doesn't matter if the flame dampers are there or not!!

As per usual you have no idea geez man stop posting unless u actually know something
so sad

Do us all a favour and stop posting on anything you have no idea what your talking about.
Your futile attempt to dicipher german on the scenario forums and now this idiotic statement makes me believe all you do is post for the sake of posting.
Do me a favour fly the mossie for several tours then talk to me untill then please refrain from these sort of comments.
This is almost as sad as you chiming in on how the 38 vs K4 flies.
Several 38 sticks and good ones ones told you to hush up yet it doesnt seem to sink in.
Stop posting on subjects you have no idea about
Not trying to be rude to you but your making yourself look foolish again

[Gianlupo]

Originally posted by Karnak
It is not nearly as big an issue as FM errors.  It is a systems modeling choice.

Precisely, Karnak, that's the point I was trying to make. The roll thing 1K3 pointed out above may be (if true) an issue to fix.

[Nilsen]

Krusty is correct. The speed increase will be alot less valuable than the other fixes.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Souless
As per usual you have no idea geez man stop posting unless u actually know something
so sad

Do us all a favour and stop posting on anything you have no idea what your talking about.
Your futile attempt to dicipher german on the scenario forums and now this idiotic statement makes me believe all you do is post for the sake of posting.
Do me a favour fly the mossie for several tours then talk to me untill then please refrain from these sort of comments.
This is almost as sad as you chiming in on how the 38 vs K4 flies.
Several 38 sticks and good ones ones told you to hush up yet it doesnt seem to sink in.
Stop posting on subjects you have no idea about
Not trying to be rude to you but your making yourself look foolish again

Sorry, but I am completely with Krusty here.

Increasing speed a few mph is not worth anything if our Mossie keeps tumbling down to earth the way it does now. That's the biggest issue by far. If the CoG problem is fixed, our Mossie will almost be a complete different ride, regardless of speed increase.

[Major Biggles]

10-15 mph on the deck is quite an increase, it would definitelyu make a difference. dunno what you guys are on about.

the FM is the major problem of course, but the mossie should be faster.

[Lusche]

Originally posted by Major Biggles
10-15 mph on the deck is quite an increase, it would definitelyu make a difference. dunno what you guys are on about.

the FM is the major problem of course, but the mossie should be faster.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be faster, nor that a speed increase would make no difference.

[TwinBoom]

mossy should hang with pony as far as speed goes

[Mister Fork]

Originally posted by Krusty
I mean that, overall the mossie is fairly fast, but no speed demon. +10mph won't change that. It'd be nice (as would a +10 mph boost on the C2, or the P51, or the 109K), but it won't really affect the lethality of the plane itself.

The other bugs are the deal breakers. The top speed is a side dish

Krusty, and all other speed-naysayers, you're forgetting there's more to Aces High than the main arenas.  In the AvA, SEA, and in CT, it will make a huge difference having an extra 10-15mph when flying against _SAME PERIOD AIRCRAFT_ from the Luftwaffe.

Specially if they fix the COG and other small fm tweaks.  Might make me want to take the skeeter up more often.

[Krusty]

Ignoring souless' blatant personal attack (highly uncalled for, by any standard) I thank those that stood up for me against him.

Fork: I haven't neglected the historic setup aspect of it. Even as-is, it's very fast compared to contemporary craft. It already pretty much matches the top speed of the 190a5 and 109g6 below 10k. Most setups it can get through no problems as-is. Souless has been harping about top speed thinking it's the end-all, be-all answer. Now he attacks me for saying "it's not!"

Why it's not the end-all, be-all, cry for the mossie:

Well you'd only GET that top speed for 5 minutes (vs. 10 for LW planes)...

You can almost never GET to top speed unless you're in a dive, and if you're in a dive you're going over top speed anyways (so it doesn't matter +/-15mph, you're still doing +50 over your normal top speed)

You can't get away because all it takes is a dive from the enemy to get you while you're trying to get to your top speed (or you dive away, see the point above). Otherwise if it's a stalemate you pull ahead for 3 minutes, run out of wep, then get overtaken for 7 more minutes.


So yes Souless, top speed changes the speed a plane flies at in level flight. Duhhhh.. Have an "Obvious" award!

It doesn't change the combat of that craft. It's either diving, or being dove upon, in both cases top speed is negated by dive speed. If you're not going to get away at N, you're not going to get away at N+15.

[Karnak]

Actually the Fw190A-5 is....10-15mph faster than the Mosquito right now.  

And I've had plenty of Bf109G-6s and G-2s run me down in a long tailchase on the deck.

[Krusty]

Originally posted by Karnak
Actually the Fw190A-5 is....10-15mph faster than the Mosquito right now.  

Just going by a quick glance at DokGonzo's page. It's close enough that a few MPH really won't make too much of a difference. A 20-minute chase means the guy behind you is determined to get you. In such a case a few MPH won't matter because he'll still chase you for 20 minutes

[Trukk]

Originally posted by Krusty
A 20-minute chase means the guy behind you is determined to get you. In such a case a few MPH won't matter because he'll still chase you for 20 minutes

If it's taking a bandit 20 minutes to catch you in a tail chase, he must only be closing at a few MPH.  In that case 5-10 MPH would make a significant difference.  Either the 20 minute chase would turn in to a much longer chase (running him out of gas or making it to a friendly base) or he wouldn't close at all.

[Major Biggles]

krusty, i hate to disagree with you, but that 15 mph is a very big difference.


look at the diffferent between the spit1 and the la7 for example. it's only a gap of what, 70mph or something? that isn't much, but the spit has no chance of catching an lgay at all. 15 mph otd in a plane is a big difference