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« Reply #15 on: August 04, 2007, 07:00:14 PM »
whoever mentioned the tail radar and the G suit just opened a ton of can of worms....

Oh wait, there's no need for G suit.  The AH pilot is already a superman.  

N1K2-J's auto flaps are mechanical features, just like the the slats on 109/la-5.

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« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2007, 08:07:35 PM »
I for one would like to see the auto retracting flaps done away with, and a more realistic model of pilot stamina, and G-LOC. Would cut down on the stick stirring nonsense.
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2007, 01:14:17 AM »
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I'm comparing planes not pilots.   The wing area of the Hellcat was the largest of ANY WWII single engined plane.    

The piss poor production numbers of FLYABLE Nik2-J's do not even allow this fighter to "hold such a title".    Japan chose to start it, they paid in spades.   They banked on "nimble, fast, tight turning, unarmored cockpits and un-sealed fuel tanks" on almost every plane, and it was their undoing.    The US had superior planes to counter ANY Japanese plane produced.

Really?

What does "The wing area of the Hellcat was the largest of ANY WWII single engined plane." have to do with anything?  It is taken completely out of context.

As to the lack of self sealing tanks and armor, that is true of the B5N, D3A, Ki-43, A6M and G4M1 and G4M2, but not of just about every other Japanese combat aircraft.  The Ki-61 is fully protected, the Ki-44 is, the Ki-67 is, the Ki-84 is, the J2M3 is, the H8K2 is, the N1K is.  The Japanese were way behind the curve no doubt, and behind in technology too, but they certainly weren't stuck in that mindset for the duration.

Read before spouting misinformation.  At least you weren't claiming they were made of rice paper and bamboo like I have seen some people do here.
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2007, 09:05:14 AM »
N1k's were great fighters if you managed to start the engine.
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2007, 08:31:21 PM »
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From all reports, the auto-flaps on the N1K2 worked quite well.  But if they were to get that in the game then HT must remove the auto-retract feature for all planes that didn't have it.

1)that'd be GREAT if they did that!!! the auto retract....to me anyway.......if REALLY annoying:cry

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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2007, 08:37:46 PM »
LOL Thats too funny, "bamboo and rice paper" :rofl

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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2007, 03:40:57 AM »
lol made of bamboo and rice paper...

 the truth is they ran on rice and shot bamboo bullets

you silly people

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« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2007, 06:05:45 AM »
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Really?

What does "The wing area of the Hellcat was the largest of ANY WWII single engined plane." have to do with anything?  It is taken completely out of context.

As to the lack of self sealing tanks and armor, that is true of the B5N, D3A, Ki-43, A6M and G4M1 and G4M2, but not of just about every other Japanese combat aircraft.  The Ki-61 is fully protected, the Ki-44 is, the Ki-67 is, the Ki-84 is, the J2M3 is, the H8K2 is, the N1K is.  The Japanese were way behind the curve no doubt, and behind in technology too, but they certainly weren't stuck in that mindset for the duration.

Read before spouting misinformation.  At least you weren't claiming they were made of rice paper and bamboo like I have seen some people do here.
Wing Area = More stable at slower speeds, and more lift.   I figured you "knew it all", you let me down.  

The Hellcat was the SUPERIOR fighter.    Not our fault the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor and relied on "captured resources".    

So about 1/2 the planes had self-sealing tanks, got it.    That still is paltry.
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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2007, 07:17:24 AM »
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Wing Area = More stable at slower speeds, and more lift.   I figured you "knew it all", you let me down.  


Wing area means nothing by its own. Wing loading on the other hand, or better yet: Lift loading; the Hellcat was a heavy plane. You don't let me down - I didn't expect more from you.


Btw. even the planes Karnak listed as not having armor or self-sealing fuel tanks were upgraded with such protection in later models. Only the 1942ish Japanese planes were unarmored. For instance the A6M2 we have in AH2 is unprotected, while the A6M5 we have is protected.
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« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2007, 07:55:56 AM »
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Wing area means nothing by its own. Wing loading on the other hand, or better yet: Lift loading; the Hellcat was a heavy plane. You don't let me down - I didn't expect more from you.


Btw. even the planes Karnak listed as not having armor or self-sealing fuel tanks were upgraded with such protection in later models. Only the 1942ish Japanese planes were unarmored. For instance the A6M2 we have in AH2 is unprotected, while the A6M5 we have is protected.
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« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2007, 09:14:12 AM »
There's no doubt that the George was an excellent design, maximized as much as possible to counter the Hellcat and Corsair.

However, it makes little sense to take the attitude that the production and operational problems that bedeviled it in combat were somehow irrelevant.

It was fully a match for the American Naval fighters IF the engines were properly manufactured, IF they were properly tuned, IF they were running on 130 octane aviation fuel, IF they were manned by properly trained and combat experienced pilots, and IF the proper tactics were employed, IF one discounts the fact that the George's pilot had only a bullet proof pane of glass in the front of the canopy for pilot protection and no armor plating behind him whatsoever, and IF one ignores the all too often brittle landing gear.

The fact is, the Japanese simply could not match the quantitative and qualitative superiority of the American manufacturers.

In perhaps the most famous clash between the George and U.S. carrier fighters over Matsuyama airfield, the 343rd Kokutai, manned by Japan's best pilots, and with altitude and complete surprise on their side, achieved, according to Saburo Sakai, a tremendous victory over the American pilots.

The actual losses were:  TF58 lost 14 fighters, some being pushed overboard after returning to their carriers, and 8 pilots.  The 343rd Kokutain lost 15 fighters and 14 pilots.

That's as even as it gets.

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« Reply #26 on: August 06, 2007, 10:03:19 AM »
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You ALWAYS let me down, you were PNG'd.


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« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2007, 10:29:51 AM »
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There's no doubt that the George was an excellent design, maximized as much as possible to counter the Hellcat and Corsair.

However, it makes little sense to take the attitude that the production and operational problems that bedeviled it in combat were somehow irrelevant.
 

Very good point. Performance is often overrated as the most important quality of a fighter.

The Hellcat is a good example of that. It was far more successful than the F4u - in spite of inferior performance. Instead, it had great reliability, ease of maintenance, safety in deck operations, durability and was produced by Grumman at an astounding efficiency (and had decent performance after all). It was more influential than the F4u because of logistics, going into war in massive numbers, while a "handful" of produced F4u's were still trying to qualify for deck operations.
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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2007, 03:56:57 PM »
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Only due to average pilot skill and the lack of effective quality control later in the war.  The N1K2-J and Ki-84 as designed were quite capable of going at it with the F6F.

You need to separate out the issues.


also a lack of vital parts that the 84 needed to be in top shape... as the result of the U.S.  blockade they couldnt get in parts so they just used it as much as they can then leave them

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« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2007, 08:45:48 AM »
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Btw. even the planes Karnak listed as not having armor or self-sealing fuel tanks were upgraded with such protection in later models. Only the 1942ish Japanese planes were unarmored. For instance the A6M2 we have in AH2 is unprotected, while the A6M5 we have is protected.


Really? I've flown both a6m a ton. They seem to go all roman candle at about the same rate. Not arguing it, just from game experience, they both catch on fire REALLY fast, armored or not :(