Author Topic: AA-12 Automatic Shotgun. (Read 1161 times)

Toad · « **Reply #30 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:10:41 AM »

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Originally posted by 68Hawk
My friend is looking to buy an auto-shottie. We don't really have any experience with them. What would you guys recommend?

Also, we noticed that we only find them in 4+1. Is this a legal thing? Do the mag tubes incorporate the gas piston or could they potentially be swapped with a standard pump tube?

If this is strictly a home defense gun, I'd personally go with a pump. Almost total reliability in any situation and magazine extensions out to 8 rounds are easily available. Lots of good choices at relatively low prices.

If it will be used for home defense and hunting and/or he just want's a semi-auto then I'd say stock fit is the key for hunting enjoyment. Most of todays quality autoloaders are pretty reliable and I'd say about equally so. Benelli, Berretta, Winchester, Remington, Browning and Mossberg all have good guns in this class. Get the one where the stock fits[/]. For hunting, that's more important than the name on the barrel.

Price is always a consideration too but that's his call.

SIK1 · « **Reply #31 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:25:48 AM »

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Originally posted by Slash27

A friend of mine has a Benelli auto like this one. I thought his held 7 rounds but I will have to check. Maybe he has a mag extension. I know it will empt the mag before the first empty hits the ground. Im pretty sure its not a cheap shotgun though.

Yeah if it has the name Benelli on it it's not going to be cheap. They are suppose to be real nice shotguns though.

I still like my old Mossberg pump. There is nothing like the sound of a round being racked into the chamber on a pump shotgun. Will definetly make the bad guy think twice.

Angus · « **Reply #32 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:31:07 AM »

A friend of mine has a 9-shot automatic shotgun. 3". Saw off the barrel, and you have a killer.
The 9-shot is a home mix, - it was made for 4 or 5. But it fires fast and the recoil is controllable (after all, I fine mine with one hand and it has no reloading cushion effect). So this is no rocket science invention.
To clear a room = flashbang or grenade.

Thrawn · « **Reply #33 on:** August 15, 2007, 10:33:47 AM »

Doesn't matter what you arm the Federales with, they still won't be able to capture Zorro.

Maverick · « **Reply #34 on:** August 15, 2007, 11:36:52 AM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Some New York cop who claims to have been in more fire-fights than any other person in the world said that buckshot was unreliable at stopping an opponent. When he used a shotgun, he much preferred to use slugs.

Just curious. How did you happen to come by this story? Did you hear it from the individual personally or is it a repetition from a person who heard it from another guy who knows a person that saw another person who actually saw a cop and a shot gun on alternating months from his mothers whom when she was having gas from a large pastrami on rye?

1500 gunfights in 30 years = BS

That's more than one a week as has already been pointed out. That is assuming the individual never took more than a week off per year for vacation or sick leave the entire 30 years. It also assumes they never had to spend a week in court from having been in a previous shootout and never got placed on administrative leave for a shootout. His ammo budget must have been huge figuring that he expended 2 to 5 shells per shootout, unless of course he shoots better than Dirty Harry. That's an expenditure of 3000 to 7500 rounds just in combat alone much less going to the range to practice and qualify.

That tends to make it more shootouts than you see on all the CSI shows you must be watching combined.

68Hawk · « **Reply #35 on:** August 15, 2007, 12:58:19 PM »

Well, if he spent a lot of time in court then that explains it!

So much gun violence happens in a court room. I'm sure he was just protecting the judge, the jury and the executioners.

Maybe each round he fired counts as one 'shot out'. Spray and pray cop gets in 1500 shots out? I could pull that off in 30 years.

FX1 · « **Reply #36 on:** August 15, 2007, 01:17:58 PM »

I purchased my first HK Benelli M1 back in 1990.

I have not missed one dove season in Texas and it spent five years in Mexico. I couldn't even image the round count cycled in this shot gun. For the past 3 years it has been converted to a pig gun running oo buck.

Great shotgun and i would recommend it to anyone that would like to have a family pass down firearm.

FX1 · « **Reply #37 on:** August 15, 2007, 01:31:51 PM »

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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Some New York cop who claims to have been in more fire-fights than any other person in the world said that buckshot was unreliable at stopping an opponent. When he used a shotgun, he much preferred to use slugs.

00 buck is one of the most lethal rounds i have ever shot. I shoot pigs for sport and for the grill. A pig is one "tuff" animal and 00 buck will put them down were other calibers will leave you a blood trail and a wounded critter. Their is a reason why Alaska brown beer guides use shot guns with 00 buck as protection.

Hell a slug is more lethal than 00 buck but so is a 500 nitro or a 50 bmg. When the time comes for protection within 50 yrds a shotgun and 00 buck is my best friend.

AquaShrimp · « **Reply #38 on:** August 15, 2007, 02:14:07 PM »

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Originally posted by Maverick
Just curious. How did you happen to come by this story? Did you hear it from the individual personally or is it a repetition from a person who heard it from another guy who knows a person that saw another person who actually saw a cop and a shot gun on alternating months from his mothers whom when she was having gas from a large pastrami on rye?

1500 gunfights in 30 years = BS

That's more than one a week as has already been pointed out. That is assuming the individual never took more than a week off per year for vacation or sick leave the entire 30 years. It also assumes they never had to spend a week in court from having been in a previous shootout and never got placed on administrative leave for a shootout. His ammo budget must have been huge figuring that he expended 2 to 5 shells per shootout, unless of course he shoots better than Dirty Harry. That's an expenditure of 3000 to 7500 rounds just in combat alone much less going to the range to practice and qualify.

That tends to make it more shootouts than you see on all the CSI shows you must be watching combined.

I actually read it on *this* board years ago. Everyone seemed to think he was legit. I am not sure if the search feature will let us go back that far. Think it was around 2001 or 2002.

Shuffler · « **Reply #39 on:** August 15, 2007, 02:24:35 PM »

Unreliable means that cop probably barely meets minimum standards on the range.

I personally carry a Mossburg pump with pistol grip and 18-1/2" barrel with dowel removed. Hold 7 rounds +1. Also carry a XD45.

Neubob · « **Reply #40 on:** August 15, 2007, 02:35:52 PM »

I'm still trying to get my mind around how many people this NYC cop must have killed in his 1500 firefights....

I mean I've been involved in, like, 170 firefights max, and already I've got 89 notches on my belt.

oldtard · « **Reply #41 on:** August 16, 2007, 01:55:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Neubob
I'm still trying to get my mind around how many people this NYC cop must have killed in his 1500 firefights....

I mean I've been involved in, like, 170 firefights max, and already I've got 89 notches on my belt.

Unless you in the milatary IT IS IMPOSSABLE FOR YOU TO BE IN 89 FIRE FIGHTS.
Avg cop is off duty for 2-8 months while fire fight is investagated so go blow that smoke up someone elses skirt

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #42 on:** August 16, 2007, 02:46:45 AM »

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Originally posted by oldtard
Unless you in the milatary IT IS IMPOSSABLE FOR YOU TO BE IN 89 FIRE FIGHTS.
Avg cop is off duty for 2-8 months while fire fight is investagated so go blow that smoke up someone elses skirt

You know, if he was in the dept. of internal affairs, he might have INVESTIGATED 1500 officer involved firefights.

Other than that, no way, Jose.

Maverick · « **Reply #43 on:** August 16, 2007, 11:59:54 AM »

I don't think even NYC has that many Officer involved shooting incidents. It's still BS.

Neubob · « **Reply #44 on:** August 16, 2007, 12:12:29 PM »

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Originally posted by oldtard
Unless you in the milatary IT IS IMPOSSABLE FOR YOU TO BE IN 89 FIRE FIGHTS.
Avg cop is off duty for 2-8 months while fire fight is investagated so go blow that smoke up someone elses skirt

I was trying to make a joke out of a blatently absurd statement.

Your name serves you well.