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« on: August 14, 2007, 10:37:33 AM »
What do the gun experts think about this weapon? I'm neutral, since I prefer rifles to shotguns.


Military Police Systems recently unveiled a must-have weapon in the current
CQB environment. The company out of Piney Flats, Tennessee has come out
with a unique selectable (via a unique trigger) 12-gauge shotgun called the
Auto Assault 12 Automatic Shotgun or AA-12 Automatic Shotgun. The AA name
originally stood for "Atchisson Assault" after the original inventor, but
has been changed since Military Police Systems purchased the rights to the
unique weapon.

The weapon utilizes a constant recoil system that reduces recoil by 90% as
compared to a traditional 12 gauge shotgun. The reduction in recoil is the
primary reason that this shotgun can be fired effectively in the automatic
mode. With little or no barrel rise, this weapon is a monster when clearing
rooms! The weapon will definitely become a force multiplier with its ease
of operation and massive firepower in both the law enforcement and military
arenas.

Technical Data -

* Caliber - 12 Gauge (2 3/4" Shells)
* Rate of Fire - 300 Rounds per minute/fires a 20 round drum in about 4
seconds
* Operations - Long Stroke Gas Piston with constant recoil
* Length - 33 Inches with 13 Inch Barrel (same size as an M4 with stock
Extended). 38 Inches with 18 Inch Barrel
* Weight - 10.0 lbs with 13 Inch Barrel. 10.5 lbs with 18 Inch Barrel
* Feeding Device - 8 round magazine, 20 round drum magazine, 40 round drum
magazine (in development)
* Safety - Thumb Safety
* Sights - Front: Protected Post which is adjustable for Elevation.
Rear: Protected Ring which is adjustable for W/E.
* Stock - Glass filled nylon available in: Urban Grey, Desert Tan, Olive,
Drab, Black, and Various other Camouflage Patterns
* Finish - Matte Stainless Steel
* Made of corrosion resistant, high impact, heat-treated stainless steels
and high-impact plastics
* Low Maintenance - During a Blackwater shoot, 5000 ROUNDS were fired
through a single weapon WITHOUT cleaning or a drop of Lube.

What is Constant Recoil? - When the weapon's gun bolt is cycling a round, a
gas system absorbs most of the shock and energy, about 80% of the total
recoil. The weapon also has a very strong recoil spring that absorbs
another 10% of the recoil. The result is a weapon that cycles efficiently
and effortlessly while transferring 10% of the recoil of a normal 12 gauge
to the shooter! The Video - See this monster in action being fired
with both magazines and the 20 round drum.

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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2007, 10:39:42 AM »
Depending on what/who is on the receiving end, I am either all for it or vehemently against it.

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« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2007, 11:41:17 AM »
A shotgun is no more effecting in "clearing a room" than any other firearm is. In many cases it's rather awkward since it's a long arm. At typical room dimension you are not sweeping and area, you are still point shooting with a weapon where the shot pattern is only about 1" across. In other words you still have to aim just as much to get a hit. The shot gun is not a guarantee of a hit and you can't miss fast enough to win a gun fight.
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« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2007, 12:13:13 PM »
"clearing a room"?

sounds more like destroying a room.:D

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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2007, 12:20:19 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2007, 12:20:46 PM »
Some New York cop who claims to have been in more fire-fights than any other person in the world said that buckshot was unreliable at stopping an opponent.  When he used a shotgun, he much preferred to use slugs.

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« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2007, 12:36:03 PM »
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Some New York cop who claims to have been in more fire-fights than any other person in the world said that buckshot was unreliable at stopping an opponent.  When he used a shotgun, he much preferred to use slugs.


I bet there are some living WWII vets that would(or at least could) beg to differ with that cop's self-appraisal.

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« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2007, 12:40:04 PM »
I know A Vietnam vet who would disagree with the NYC cop.
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« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2007, 12:48:51 PM »
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Some New York cop who claims to have been in more fire-fights than any other person in the world said that buckshot was unreliable at stopping an opponent.  When he used a shotgun, he much preferred to use slugs.


define "unreliable"

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« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2007, 01:15:45 PM »
drooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ol!

I want it!

Unreliable means he's probably full of crap.  I've seen buckshot go through plenty of things.

I've thankfully never been fired at in anger, but anyone who claims to have been in more firefights than any one else in the world is probably smoking their own seizures.
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« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2007, 06:12:57 PM »
Unless I'm mistaken (I don't know much about shotgun loads), but isn't buck shot 3 .38 caliber round balls?



While it may seem cool that 90% of the recoil is reduced, don't forget that this also reduces the power of the cartridge.
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« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2007, 06:16:41 PM »
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I bet there are some living WWII vets that would(or at least could) beg to differ with that cop's self-appraisal.


Maybe, but I think this guy has been in about 1500 shoot-outs over his 30 year career.  I'm trying to find his name.

This dude said that buckshot didn't reliably drop opponents.  Meaning that they would still be conscious and able to fight back even if he shot them first.

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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2007, 06:16:51 PM »
I was always told .33 was the size, I could be wrong.
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2007, 07:18:54 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2007, 07:19:24 PM »
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Maybe, but I think this guy has been in about 1500 shoot-outs over his 30 year career.  I'm trying to find his name.

This dude said that buckshot didn't reliably drop opponents.  Meaning that they would still be conscious and able to fight back even if he shot them first.


1500 in 30 years!!!???

That's like 1 a week!

With a track record like that, he must have gone through more partners than Dirty Harry