Submarines made easy

[mrmidi]

sure thing give me about 15 mins I'll drop the y axis a bit and post another
pic..

Hows this?


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[sparow]

Hi Mrmidi!

Great job! I searched pictures of surfaced submarines and I think that you levelled the sub very well, looks real to me. I would let it as it is.

Could you try a periscope depth preview? The darkened sea - the sub shade - may be trickier...

Is that a Gato Class sub or a U-Boat? Not that it matters, there should be only one model, same for all. The best one if possible, of course, attending to armament and technical caracteristics...

Can't wait to surface one in the middle of a Task Group!

Cheers,

[mrmidi]

It's a Uboat  textures are not perfect but that can be fixed as well.

Also got to have one of these....



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[Meatwad]

Originally posted by dedalos
Could you email me a copy of the coad please?  I'd like to see it too

I dont know about that. Lately I have been pretty good at dropping my GV's down hidden mine shafts.

[sparow]

Hi Mrmidi,

I meant the view of the periscope only out of the water... but good show, anyway! Saw your PM. Will reply later.

I got this example for a periscope view, from an American sub, I think:

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Hope I did this right, second time doing it...and almost forgot it...

Cheers,

[sparow]

Second attempt:

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Let's see what happens...

Cheers,

[sparow]

Third attempt:



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[EagleDNY]

Submarines would be a waste of time here, and that is from an old Silent Hunter junkie!  

The main problem is that any target you want to go after with your torpedoes is moving at least 15 knots faster than you are at your top surface speed.  Your chance of getting into a firing position is practically zero unless you just run your sub to a port and wait for a CV group to respawn.  At that point you have to hope the CV is heading towards you unawares, because your torps lack the speed to catch him from behind at anything but extreme close range.

Couple this with the lack of any other ship target - no freighters, tankers, troopships, battleships, etc. and you are left with putzing around on the surface at 20 knots hoping that someone doesn't see you and drop a bomb on your head, or crawling around looking through a periscope for targets that don't exist at 8 knots.  

I suppose HTC could spend the next year recoding the terrain system, inventing a realistic sonar system, recoding all the ships and adding a lot more ship types, if they wanted to completely waste their time that is.  If you want a sub sim, go get one...  there are plenty of other things that desperately need work in this game before we need to be adding subs.

EagleDNY
$.02

[SFraptor]

 that is one of the best ideas i have sean on these forums. I like it

[Denholm]

Originally posted by mrmidi
It's a Uboat  textures are not perfect but that can be fixed as well.

Also got to have one of these....



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Is that a picture of the periscope from a submarine or something else? If it's something on the submarine I'd like to know how you managed to fit a working gun onto a custom object and allowed it to be manned.

[Relorian]

IF your going to want subs, you need to include the sub killing/hunting aircraft like the Catalina (Which id love to see being it was a good bombing platform... and could land on water). You'd also have to include some depth charges because making a target that cannot be seen or sunk while moving would be rather one sided. Ships would then have to be fitted with "sonar" that could detect a sub and alert people.

Id rather see more planes and load outs and possibly a B-25 that could lift off of a CV doolittle style before id want to see subs.

[Motherland]

Originally posted by Relorian


Id rather see more planes and load outs and possibly a B-25 that could lift off of a CV doolittle style before id want to see subs.

A B25 is in the works... you're not gonna get any Doolittle raids outta them, though.

[Relorian]

Bummer, it would add a decent sized bomber to the CV lineup and enable some great unexpected heavy bombing.

[sparow]

Hi Eagle, welcome Relorian,

Eagle, your right about fleet speed...They run around like if there was no tomorrow...Fleet speed should be adjusted.  I do not know what's the actual fleet speed in AH but, if it is 35 knots, that's a big mistake...Iowa Class battleships could reach 33 knots, and not for long, especially if they were part of a Task Group...

The CV Wasp had a top speed of 29,5 knots but I am certain that they were not at that speed for long periods of time...That means a top speed 8,3/4 knots higher than a Gato Class submarine...

CVE Bogue, an Escort Carrier, could do 18knots, slower than a submarine...

And a Fleet Oiler like USS Ponaganset was able of 15,5 knots, 13 knots beeing economical maximum speed...

A Task Group, although depicting only a CV with his Cruiser and Destroyers escort, has a complement of other ships, so, I do not think to be very wrong if I suggested a TG speed should be between 10 and 20 knots, undamaged!

Yes, this is an important issue, because a damaged ship loses speed, a lot of speed...With important damage, a CV speed could fall to, say, 8 to 5 knots...

This would be easy to implement. Sonar or a Catalina wouldn't. No need for depth charges either. Is a simple matter of taking off with a TBM and drop a couple of 500lbs into the sub shade, if he's stupid enough to be there...

Even with little targets, having a submarine is better than not having one. Little work is needed to put a submarine sailing in Aces High. It's as easy as creating a Tank. Infinitely simpler than to build an aircraft.

Evolution comes in small steps. Daily.

Thank you for your contribution, it's good to know that people read and think about new things.

Cheers,