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storch

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« on: August 17, 2007, 08:05:23 AM »
The American citizen that was held by the federal government in the aftermath of the september 11, 2001 bombings of the world trade center and the pentagon has been tried and found guilty in federal court of consipiring to kill in an overseas jihad and funding and supporting overseas terroists.

it will be interesting to see how this plays out in the appellate courts.  from what I have read there was slim evidence supporting these charges and the guy can only be guilty of being a moron.  I hold the opinion that this hapless tardling is a victim of his own stupidity and a handy scapegoat for the bush administration.
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« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2007, 08:16:37 AM »
Whenever anyone here posts a message expressing concern about how our freedoms and rights are being deleted, some character jumps in and starts making excuses like "That only affects non-citizens".  

The Jose Padilla case seems to indicate that citizens are at risk when the government flexes its muscles, those protests non-withstanding.  Whether or not he's scum doesn't change the fact that there are fundamental constitutional rights enjoyed by the accused.

The city of Washington was built on a stagnant swamp some 200 years ago, and very little has changed.
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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2007, 08:34:57 AM »
So when will the "Free Padilla" shirts start selling at our local bazzares?
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« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2007, 08:37:23 AM »
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So when will the "Free Padilla" shirts start selling at our local bazzares?


Well there's a protest of some kind pretty much every weekend in Cali... so I'd say tommorrow. You'll find them right next to the "Free Mumia!" and Che Guevara t-shirts.
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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2007, 08:45:01 AM »
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So when will the "Free Padilla" shirts start selling at our local bazzares?


According to the Department of Homeland Security the use of a word of Iranian origin make you suspect.

You've been warned !
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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2007, 08:49:25 AM »
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According to the Department of Homeland Security the use of a word of Iranian origin make you suspect.

You've been warned !
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2007, 09:19:57 AM »
have you guys peeked into rolex' fishing thread?
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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2007, 09:32:33 AM »
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The city of Washington was built on a stagnant swamp some 200 years ago, and very little has changed.


Thanks Lisa.

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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2007, 09:34:09 AM »
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Thanks Lisa.
Good catch!  It's a spot-on observation.
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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2007, 10:20:53 AM »
He was held a long time, eventually got  his day in court and was found guility of charges that can result in life imprisonment.

I remember some poor Padilla threads about how he was being abused.

Seems the jury did not agree with that line of thought.
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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2007, 10:43:12 AM »
He was held in a military prison as an 'enemy combatent', was detained without any charges being made against him for three years, and his writ of Habeas corpus was denied.


Being held THREE YEARS without charges.  This is ok?
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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2007, 10:56:08 AM »
Being held THREE YEARS without charges. This is ok?
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« Reply #12 on: August 17, 2007, 11:00:46 AM »
It seems that a jury of his peers who actually heard and saw the evidence presented at his trial felt there was sufficient reason to belive he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
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« Reply #13 on: August 17, 2007, 11:02:37 AM »
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We are not perfect...... we try to be on time but sometimes, like after having three thousand of our men women and children murdered in a single morning of terrorst acts against our country and our way of life, we fall a bit short.  Yes, three years short of perfect but I think we are still worth defending.
Does someone accused of murder have less constitutional protection than someone accused of burglary?  A burglar has fewer constitutional rights than a jaywalker?

It sounds as if all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.  For our liberty to be real, it must apply equally to all citizens, not just the popular ones.
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« Reply #14 on: August 17, 2007, 11:08:13 AM »
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It seems that a jury of his peers who actually heard and saw the evidence presented at his trial felt there was sufficient reason to belive he was guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.
I'm not criticizing his conviction, I have a problem with a US citizen being held without charges for three years.  They should have indicted him when they arrested him, or very shortly therafter.  Instead, they held him first as a 'material witness' until a judge was about to rule "Hey, he needs to be charged" and then they switched him to a military prison and rebadged him an 'enemy combatant'.

If that's all you need to do to strip a citizen of his constitutional protections, then how long will the definition of 'enemy combatant' stay the same?  There's already precedent being set that could be the groundwork for determining that a political protester is an 'enemy combatant'.  

Really, you think this is crazy talk?  Read "It Can't Happen Here' by Sinclair Lewis.  If you're not a big fan of books, watch, of all things, the mini-series "V" from the early 1980s.  There's more to it than lizards in human costumes eating mice.
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