Let's go fishing...

[Meatwad]

As long as Hillary or Obama arent elected, I will be happy

I am ashamed to have Obama the O'Joke as a senator of IL.

[Rolex]

It was intended to be "over the top." I just woke up, so there is a very real risk this will be less than lucid.

I resent the inference that I'm trying to make some veiled personal attack.

I also resent being emasculated. Law by law, Americans are being emasculated by federal government intrusion into their lives. The security theater is embarrassing, and I am embarrassed for America. The growth of the terror threat industry and Homeland Security is a perversion, not just in principle, but in practical, fiscal terms. It is not good economics. It's creating another industry beholden to the federal treasury that provides no real, measurable value. It will be another revenue stream of lobbyists using the taxpayer money to lobby for more taxpayer money.

Homeland Security has grown from having nine contractors to 34,000 companies with a common vested interest in more federal laws and programs to monitor, track, guard, spy on and regulate movement of people. The jobs created in the industry do nothing to help American competitiveness and are just a replacement for manufacturing jobs being lost. Instead of learning skills to manufacture or service something, kids will be learning to stand around in airports play acting.

If anyone suicidal wanted to harm air travelers in the past 6 years, the security play acting would have helped by having hundreds of people lined up waiting to go through "security." The threat protection business would like you to think everyone is a potential threat, but the truth is that the country is filled to the brim with people who have no intent whatsoever to blow people up every day.

If you subtract the jobs created by the terror threat business and the health care business, which is more healthy for the industry than the nation, there would have been no jobs added to the economy in the last six years.

The federal government needs some de-construction. It's the wrong industry to build.

[Chairboy]

Rolex++

[storch]

hear hear rolex.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Meatwad
As long as Hillary or Obama arent elected, I will be happy
 

I fear you are going to be very unhappy from (at a minimum) January 2009 to January 2013.

As much as it pains me to say this, I think Billary is a lock.

Let's see.... Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Clinton. 24 years of royalty ruling the country; quite possibly 28 because we can probably add a Clinton after that last one given how hard it is to unseat an incumbent.

[Toad]

Well said Rolex but I fear the only way you deconstruct a government in power that is this big and this overreaching already is by force of arms.

Hmmmm.... which flag, which flag.....

Maybe the Culpepper Minutemen flag?

[Maverick]

Rolex,

Your question about my blood type, was totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand, yet you asked for it twice. No reason I can think of for it other than you wished to somehow use it for a personal attack.

You've seen my posting on the board here more than a little bit. I'd like to think that you would recognise that I pretty much say what I think and I am not particularly politically correct.

FWIW I agree with you that there is too much government already and the idea of a national ID bothers me. That also harkens back to another Heinlein character in a differant novel that I happen to agree with. You had a valid point in your intent, you just discredited it with the story you wrote. The more and louder you cry wolf and add things to make it worse than it already is, the less likely it is to be taken seriously. My whole point, period, message good, method bad.

Chairboy,

Please note that animal farm dealt with a situation that was not fictional, it portrayed human actions that have already happened. That's not necessarily a prophesy for the future. It's a description of the past and a generalization of some of the bad aspects of human nature.

[Ghosth]

The US goverment thinks that they can lead us all down their path until no one is capable of resisting. That by the time we see the executioner killing other sheep there is no way back.

One bye one, month by month our personal liberties and rights have been falling. How far down this path do we have to go before we decide if we are going to be dead sheep. We'd prefer to at least be FREE dead sheep. If we act soon enough, some of the sheep may live. If we wait too long, there is no hope for any of us.

Time to kick the whole Washington crowd out, and start from scratch again.
Based on the Constitution, and Bill of Rights. With perhaps a few more checks and balances on things.

There is law, but there is precious little justice.

There is virtually no accountability for groups like Social Services, who can break up homes, decide who gets children, and who's paying. And who does this on a daily basis, before anyone is proven guilty.  A local friend was charged with child abuse of his 3 step children, 15 months later jury found him not guilty. But did Social Services give him and his wife back their children? No, they did not, they sent them from North Dakota to live in Florida with their dad. Who by the way is a known pervert.

At what point do we say "this is no longer government of the people, by the people, for the people" and revolt?

Yes there are people out there who want the USA to fall. But this is not the way, not by removing the very things we stand for.

[moot]

Originally posted by Maverick
No reason I can think of for it other than you wished to somehow use it for a personal attack.

I don't mean to speak for Rolex, but it looks like the sort of exageration for making something obvious rather than for ridicule that most everyone uses now and then when plainly saying something doesn't make their point obvious enough.