What do you think.....

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Latrobe
of these planes? The La-7, Spit 16, Hurricane 2C, and the A6M (both versions). What are your personal thought on these planes? Do you think they are "noob planes", your favorite planes, need to be perked? I'm just a little curious on what other people think about these planes. I for one think the Zeke is a plane that people fly if they can't kill someone that just has superior skill and better knowledge of dogfighting.

I think you should wory less about what they fly and more about what you fly.

The only noob plane, is the one someone crying about what the red guy is flying, is in.

Just accept that you could not kill him because of YOU and not because of his plane, and things may be more fun

[Furious]

It's fun to pretend the plane is not a factor, that it is all pilot skill, but it is also a load of crap.

Vet vs. Noob - Both Spit 16's:  Vet wins easily.

Vet vs. Noob - Vet in C202, Noob in Spit16:  Vet probably still wins, but not nearly as easily.

...did the noob magically get better at ACM's?  No.

That said, perking the "noob" planes would be a waste.  The new guys need to have a chance to survive long enough to make the game enjoyable.

[humble]

I've always felt that pilot skills is 85% of the equation or more in a true 1 on 1. Eventually the better plane will win out but a good pilot can overcome a good but slightly lesser skilled pilot most of the time. In the MA enviornment a plane with cannons hasa much higher snapshot leathality. combine that with speed and or acceleration and you have a difficult plane to hit and avoid. The tiffie is probably as deadly an "MA plane" as you'll find for that very reason.

Many of the best "scorers" have marginal dogfighting skills, what they have is good SA combined with good gunnery and a flying style that seeks an advantage. The flip side is a number of pilots who regularly troll looking for those same "scorers" among others and gleefully give up their "6" to lure the other guy in.

More often then not the "scorer" in the spit16 (just an example) is gleefully pounded to scrap aluminium by the D25 he "bounced"...of course the flip side is the "trolling ace" is often cherried by the "two weeker" in the fly by la-7 (who lawn darts milliseconds after clipping the jugs tail off). The furballer gleefully sruggs it off while the "scorer" laments his lowered K/D # and the two weeker doesnt have a clue and goes back to pink fairy dust (WoW)....

[BaldEagl]

La7 - I've only ever flown it twice I think but I have spent some time in the La5 and like the 5 but that's not the one your asing about so I can't really say.  

When I see an La7 I expect a HO pass and a run.  If they turn they are dead almost regardless what I'm flying.  Given these factors there must be a lot of noobs flying them so they must be mostly noob planes.

Spit XVI - My primary ride for years (and the Spit IX before the XVI was introduced).  This is an awsome little plane but it has it's downfalls.  It holds E SO well in a turn that throttle management is critical in a fight and the clipped wings make it somewhat unstable when you get slow in it.  For those reasons I now prefer the Seafire, V, VIII and IX for most situations.

I still like to fly the XVI to check out what the situation is in a particular area of the map because I know it will do whatever I ask of it and get me home safely.

When I see one I don't worry too much about it.  Fast planes will out-run it and turners will out-turn it.  Not totally a total noob ride but high on the list.  You can still get yourself in trouble in a XVI and have to fight your way out.

Hurri MkIIC - Awsome plane and one of my favorites.  I wish it had some speed to go with it's turning ability and firepower.  If you can't get a Hurri onto someone's six you don't know how to fly but you have to be careful not to let them pull you into the vertical which is exactly how I kill so many of them.

I wouldn't call this a noob plane at all except for it's ability to HO.  If you fly out to an enemy base you are almost guaranteed a long fight home (yes, I said fight, not flight).

Once you get the IIC down jump into a I and the real fun begins.  The I is a perk-farmer par excellence and seriously under-rated.

A6M - LOVE the 2, HATE the 5.  I don't know what it is but me and the A6M5 just don't get along.  The 2 on the other hand treats me quite well.  Awsome turning ability, decent speed for a turner and range that won't end.  The only thing about the Zekes is you can't let ANYONE get guns on you or you turn into a roman candle but guns are easy to avoid with the turning ability of the Zeke.

Zeke killing requires slashing attacks.  Attack, extend, reverse, attack.  Definately NOT a noob plane as your SA and ACM have to be top notch to keep from getting flamed.

I don't think any of these need to be perked.  They don't upset the balance of the arenas at all IMO.  There are other better planes out there and every one of these can be beat.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by BaldEagl
La7 - I've only ever flown it twice I think but I have spent some time in the La5 and like the 5 but that's not the one your asing about so I can't really say.  

When I see an La7 I expect a HO pass and a run.  If they turn they are dead almost regardless what I'm flying.  Given these factors there must be a lot of noobs flying them so they must be mostly noob planes.

While the La7 is used by noobs it is most definitely not a noob AC. It takes a vet to get the most out of her.

Bronk

[Lusche]

My very subjective thoughts:

La-7: Very potent fighter. Most loathed yet still one of the most underrated planes of AH2. Not only high speeds were it really counts in the late war arenas (below 10k), but also deadly firepower and very good maneuverabilty. Only real drawback are the short legs.

Silly peer pressure is responsible for being largely a noob's ride, thus its impact in the MA is lower (K/D) than it's performance potential.

Spit-16: Sorry, I prefer the Spit-8, because it's more stable and a better gun platform (as long as you have ammo for the Hispano's). Still one of the best allround fighters in MA with it's combination of power and maneuverability.

Hurricane 2C: THE point and shoot plane. Easy to fly, easy to kill with in furballs & low alt base defense. Perfect M3 hunter vs the EW reset horde (you know who you are... )

A6M5: Could be the best furballer... if it wouldn't start to burn just because someone is only looking at it.

The A6M2 lacks in firepower, ammo & engine power. The increased turning ability doesn't make up for it.

[Tiger]

I have no idea how you lumped the A6M into the noob plane catagory.  

My opinion is any plane not sitting in the EW or MW palneset should be perked.  But that's more for  trying to create a reason for people to not do suicide runs on bases/CVs and to try to encourage them to actually land their plane rather than bail/auger.

[Furious]

Originally posted by Tiger
...But that's more for  trying to create a reason for people to not do suicide runs on bases/CVs and to try to encourage them to actually land their plane rather than bail/auger.

I think you would find the end result would be lots of folks in fast perked planes not willing to mix it up.  The amount of running would be epic.

[Latrobe]

Originally posted by SpikesX
Pssst...you forgot N1K2 latrobe

psst..i kill them on a daily basis. They're very easy to kill.

[nirvana]

They're all great planes, Hurricanes are my favorite though (especially the Mk. I).

There's no such thing as a n00b plane.

[whiteman]

never really fly the hurrican unles i feel a need to fly something different than i normally do and only fly the LA7 when i see it's a sigle 190 above the feild. 99% of the time they run so only use that plane cause i can catch them.

I like the spit16 and A6M for when trying to up from a feild that is almost or is capped.