Mosquito is fixed!!!

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by hitech
How did that response go from top gun?

Maverick, the rules of engagement exist both for your safety and the safety of your wingman?

[Karnak]

Yarbles,

That was the data that was available.  It had nothing to do with dampers or no dampers being modled.  They could have given it Merlin 21s and a max speed on the deck of about 315mph if they'd wanted to (WBIII does this) as that data is easily had too.  They went with the Merlin 25 with dampers data which made it more than 20mph faster than the alternative.

The data for the FB.VI without dampers is hard to get, and is stated on the forms to be non-representative of the aircraft.  For example, the easiest to get data for a FB.VI with Merlin 25s and no flame dampers is slower than the one we got.  Only recently have I seen data that puts it as faster, and that is still said to be slower than the typical undampered Merlin 25 FB.VI.

HTC also gave it a climb rate far, far above what any of the charts I have say it should do.  Only very recently have I found a report that matches the AH climb rate (the undampered FB.VI sustained a climb of 3,800fpm at low altitude).

Your attitude here is not helping you or the Mosquito.  Please calm down a bit.

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by Karnak
Yarbles,

That was the data that was available.  It had nothing to do with dampers or no dampers being modled.  They could have given it Merlin 21s and a max speed on the deck of about 315mph if they'd wanted to (WBIII does this) as that data is easily had too.  They went with the Merlin 25 with dampers data which made it more than 20mph faster than the alternative.

The data for the FB.VI without dampers is hard to get, and is stated on the forms to be non-representative of the aircraft.  For example, the easiest to get data for a FB.VI with Merlin 25s and no flame dampers is slower than the one we got.  Only recently have I seen data that puts it as faster, and that is still said to be slower than the typical undampered Merlin 25 FB.VI.

HTC also gave it a climb rate far, far above what any of the charts I have say it should do.  Only very recently have I found a report that matches the AH climb rate (the undampered FB.VI sustained a climb of 3,800fpm at low altitude).

Your attitude here is not helping you or the Mosquito.  Please calm down a bit.

Thanks for the data, it makes the situation much clearer. As far as calming down is concerned as I said I am form the UK where I think we are a bit more robust and open for a bit of criticism. Up to this point I thought the whole thing amusing and if people dont want to respond they dont have to. Certainly I am not used to such a strong culture of moderation but can see you take this side of things very seriously and I have no choice but to respect that.  

[moot]

Yarbles no one cares if you're from the UK or Timbuctu.  Follow the rules like everyone else unless you can propose a better alternative to them other than some "where I come from" statistical nonsense..

[BaDkaRmA158Th]

You make our HTC god angry, sheep die.


WHY!?


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Like most things in life, they hold the copywright.
Rules and regulation.

Your 15 bucks is allowed* by HTC to play a game they ALLOW you to download to pay them to play.
If at any time you muck up, and they deside they dont want you around, they can "by law" and will show you the door.

Reread the agreement, OR regulations and rules will show you the door.
And as for this community, doubt they will wipe a tear for you being lost to ignorance.

[Furball]

Yarbles, i am from the UK too - and i think you need to give it up

As for flame dampers, does the 110G-2 in Aces High have them?

Krusty, i don't know enough about 109's to say if there were any differences, but i guess that having the dampers on our Mosquito in AH is the equivalent of having a 109G-6/N in AH representing the daytime 109G-6.

[thrila]

neeeeeeeeeeeeeeow!



Furball is cornish ignore him.

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by moot
Yarbles no one cares if you're from the UK or Timbuctu.  Follow the rules like everyone else unless you can propose a better alternative to them other than some "where I come from" statistical nonsense..

I care about where you come from Moot I am interested in how people do things differently in different places as I believe if people keep an open mind they can sometimes learn from that.

Admitedly the only forums I have been on up to this point were for adults and there has always been a fair amount of swearing, insulting, winding up etc but nearly always in the spirit of fun.

Moot I propose we only refer to the rules if someone actually complains, IMHO there are too many rules over zealously applied.  But thats my opinion and I hope having a different opinion from other people doesn't upset them too much.

I think Karnak has explained the Mossie issue very well and Iam satisfied (for now)

I wish those who obviously disagee with me well and hope they will consider my suggestion. I suspect everyone is worried about corrupting the young and lawyers.

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by thrila
neeeeeeeeeeeeeeow!



Furball is cornish ignore him.

You surprise me I had him down as a welsh.

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by Yarbles
You surprise me I had him down as a welsh.

Beautifull photo of a great plane without flame dampers

[moot]

I don't care that you care about where I come from... I care about the discussions here leading to new insights on what's discussed.  Someone bargin in and trying to rock the boat because he supposedly has an open mind, effectively disrupting the proper function of topics like this is a PITA and nothing new and not "in the spirit of fun"; whether you're from the UK or not.. this ain't the AH personals.

The rules here as stickied in every damn forum aren't overzealously applied, they weren't always there, but are there because too many griefers (intended or not) have showed up and rocked the boat beyond HTC's tolerance/patience/whatever.
Don't rock the friggin boat, don't play the "I'm from out beyond where we do things X way" (we had one of those from the UK in fact, a while back - Search for username Zulu6), people posting here aren't bleedin idiots or mindless rule-following drones or whatever lemming like goose stepping, brown coat mentality you or others might want to hyperbolicaly infer.... In fact this forum has quite a thing for humor of the deadpan variety.. so long as the humor doesn't derail the topics to the point that there's no net benefit to the topic from the post's addition to the thread.

The rules are only there for what's always been implicitly understood and agreed on to be explicit to those without a clue.


Back to our sheep... If no flame dampers would not change the top speed much, would the extra exhaust thrust help the acceleration?  The P47 (IIRC) does benefit from exhaust thrust quite a bit, but would this work for the mossie too?

[Yarbles]

Moot I still care that you dont care that I care where you come form.

I am sorry you seem to be so angry about what Iam saying but I think I am allowed to have an opinion? I am not trying to insult you I am just asking questions to understand the sensorship and why its there.

My take on events was that it appeared on the evdence HTC had made a mistake in moddeling the Mossie and rather than people defending the mistake HTC should retify it if at allpossible. Karnak eventually explained the circumstances and I am more than happy with the explanation. I felt HiTech over reacted and felt in my opinion unduly criticised. I was under the impression last time I was in the US that businees was very customer focussed in an open society with a minimum of regulation. I have to say this incident has changed my opinion.

Personally I dont mind people challengeing my viewpoint and if I find them insulting I can ignore the insults or choose to ignore them.

I think my research on the mossie isn't as thourough as HTC'S and so I have nothing more meaningfull to add than according to what Ive heard the Mossie should be virtually uncatchable at altitude other than by the 262 and above average for a fighter at sea level. I think we should have a late war example because it has to be viable in the MA late war like the later model. If the data exists than this is what I (personally) would like to see but only if the outcome is very similar to what was the reality in WW2 and if I am barking up the wrong tree I ll live with it either way.

[moot]

I'm not telling you what to care about nor angry, your interpretation's inaccurate.. "seem" is the key word indeed.
"Insulting" is like "offended". Grow some skin or better yet realize that posts are just ideas floating in cyberspace, i.e. nothing to ever get worked up about.

Anyway, welcome to AH and the forums..

[Yarbles]

Originally posted by moot
I'm not telling you what to care about nor angry, your interpretation's inaccurate.. "seem" is the key word indeed.
"Insulting" is like "offended". Grow some skin or better yet realize that posts are just ideas floating in cyberspace, i.e. nothing to ever get worked up about.

Anyway, welcome to AH and the forums..

Which is why I dont think we need any thing like as much moderating, but thanks for your input and I appologise if youve seen it all before

[moot]

The combat trim's elevator trim is a little off.  You can't pull into a stall at about 200-250 or so.  I'll come back with the exact conditions.