Katrina Related

[Gunthr]

I was thinking about if  my home was ground zero in a hurricane or a tornado, and if, as a citizen, I were instructed by the County/State/Feds to turn in my gun(s, would I cooperate when they knocked on my door?

If your home were hit with devastation like this... no power regionally, no electricity, no tv, no  radio, and public water not drinkable, etc.  and your county, state or federal police asked you to hand over your gun(s)...

... would you do it?

[Mark Luper]

I would have to hide them and say I didn't have any guns.

In other words, rather than face a bunch of guys intent on making sure I was unarmed, I'd lie about it.

Mark

[storch]

no and it would be a good day to die

[Maverick]

Originally posted by Mark Luper
I would have to hide them and say I didn't have any guns.

In other words, rather than face a bunch of guys intent on making sure I was unarmed, I'd lie about it.

Mark

This pretty much covers it. They would be hidden except for the ones I want at hand.

[TalonX]

I am not turning my guns in at the moment I may need them more than ever.

[storch]

the thing is that reports from NO were that LE personnel were performing searches and seizures without warrants prompted reportedly because thugs were shooting at helos.  they were coming in regardless of the established laws.  it would be tricky to lie.  if the weapons are so well concealed that LE couldn't find them then they would be equally useless to the owners themselves.  in my opinion it would be better to refuse them entrance to the premesis and calmly but firmly explain that they are in for a firefight with otherwise law abiding citizens and that they would need to kill the whole family.  

during every major natural disaster like that there are looters and people who will harm you to take what they want.  you need to be able to defend yourself and your stuff.  roaming gangs of thugs were driving up and stealing generators and such in parts of miami and only force and threat of death or extreme bodily harm kept them at bay.  I live in a gated community and we employ the security personnel that work our entrance but they are unarmed and really just nice folks who are also rentacops, not really much of a deterrent.

I was appalled to read of the NO, federal and state people confiscating people's personal property.  with that precedent already established it will remain to be seen how the plethora of lawsuits play out and how much money the gubments must lose for their draconian measures in those incidents.

the response by gun rights groups filing on behalf of the wronged citizens of NO will be the real determining factor in how future disasters will be handled but ruby ridge and waco have already clearly spelled out that the ninjas don't care about the constitution or anyone's civil rights and sadly it becomes incumbent upon us all to refuse to submit to a tyrannical act on the part of government and sometimes as ruby ridge and waco demonstrated, citizens must pay with their lives.  freedom isn't free and the cost is always paid in blood.

it certainly is food for thought though.

[Mark Luper]

Good points there Storch. Definately something to think about. It just might change my point of view on the matter.

Mark

[FBBone]

"...........When they pry my cold, dead fingers............."

[Shamus]

Depends on the situation. If I'm out back cooking a hot dog on the grill and look up to a bunch of ninja's holding mp-5's on me, well I guess I'm gonna give them my gun.

Thats why I find it kinda funny that so many of you guys place so much importance on the 2nd Amendment and look at the 4th as just another hindrance to good law enforcement.

If these guys are conditioned that they cant just boot a door in when it pleases them you don't have to go through the mental masturbation of getting into gunfights with them, which 95 times out of a hundred, your gonna lose.

shamus

[Tiger]

I live far enough out in the sticks that LE really doesn't care about me.  There is a Sheriff Deputy and a State trooper that live nearby, but they are good ole boys like the rest of us.

If things went to hell Katrina style around here, they'd probably be recruiting us good ole boys to help run protection for relief workers.

[Masherbrum]

Amazing, one of the editor's was in the Mississippi landfall.   After they barely made it out, a LEO handed him a gun to "protect from possible looting".  Read the article.    I believe it was Egan.

I love this "conspiracy theory", even though it won't happen to "law abiding citizens".   IF they're taking away guns, I bet they are REacting to something and not being PROactive.   Amazing, but then again I don't live in a cesspool to where they'd fire on Hospitals and Choppers.   Thugs without guns is a good thing.

[Leslie]

New Orleans was a unique situation where everyone had to leave the area.  Even then, some people stayed and roughed it out.  Just one week without power is grueling.  I guess the philosophy was that having a lot of people confined in a spot like that for who knows how long, would be a hell hole. The confiscation of guns was unconstitutional.  I don't even like the idea of being forced to leave home.  

I can't imagine the good 'ol boys here around these parts would give their guns up because of a hurricane and its aftermath.  Shopkeepers would be at their shops guarding them with shotguns.  It would be a futile effort that would get some people shot and then all hell would break loose.  Seriously I think it would start a war if they tried something like that in Mobile, especially now that it has already happened in NO.  I don't think guns were confiscated in Mississippi, where the eye and most devastation occurred.

What happened at New Orleans must be investigated, for lack of a better term, and justice done.  There needs to be a constitutional amendment tailor made to address situations like Katrina.  No more gun confiscation in natural or man-made disaster areas.  Then the city of New Orleans needs to get those guns back to their rightful owners pronto (it's been 2 years.)  Those guns have not been returned and are locked up in a city trailer somewhere.

It is unbelievable guns were confiscated unconstitutionally, but it was a city decision to do that.  What is even more unbelievable is that the guns haven't been returned.   I believe it was unlawful confiscation and the ones responsible should be be held accountable.


Do this, and you won't have to worry about such a situation to begin with.   We had a sort of martial law here in Mobile after Frederick hit in 1979.  Power was out about 3 weeks or so.  There was one instance where a National Guardsman tried to rape a girl at a curfew checkpoint and during the attempt his M-16 rifle discharged and someone was hit in the leg.  After that happened you can imagine the uproar and distrust.  They were told to shoot to kill anyone seen downtown after hours.




Les

[Holden McGroin]

I would ask the official, "How does turning in my guns moderate the storm, evacuate the town, or keep levees from breeching?"

[lazs2]

Of course we would hide ours but.. the people who turned em in were older folks or  naive ones who were trying to obey the "law"  and....

They got screwed.. the cops did not keep records of what guns they got from who.

The NRA forced the city to give back the guns in a legal action... trouble is, as leslie says.. they still haven't.

How do they get away with that?  well... they make the people show a reciept for their guns... most of these guns were bought decades ago or were passed down from gerneations or bought without one.

It is total obstruction of justice and just more proof that the corrupt and worthess city of NO should be let to fend for itself.

lazs

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by storch
no and it would be a good day to die

Ditto!