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The thread Mother Of All Conspiracies is not about Religion, politics or Bush as most of you have written.

It's about the managers of power on earth.
The movie calls them "The men behind the curtain"


To understand the movie you need to watch part 3.

I didn't know what the religious part was meant to suggest until about half way through. I must admit I didn't like seeing it.

Other parts were filled with political fluff with a hatred of Fox news. Get through these partisan views and concentrate on the research and you will get their end point with validity.
 
The 911 inquirer’s were not about the buildings but it's outcome.
 The movie made connections between our past wars and its beneficiaries. It points a finger at men of even higher greed and power than the dictators, rulers and or presidents they cater to.  The longer a war lasts the more power and money these men stand to gain but they have an end goal.

However the War On Terror started its become clear that it will be the longest war ever fought. It has all the ingredients of past, present and future wars needed to sustain itself indefinitely across our world.  Politics, greed, religion and diversity in class. You could call it "the perfect war" and its a money maker.

The movie seems to successfully point to an enormous problem but offers no solution possibly because there is none. These people have successfully become their own entity at the very pinnacle of society. They seem to be the controlling gods of this world.  Above all but themselves, like maybe in a Sims game.

Incredibly, a handful of men can bring billions to their knees. If you control money, you control the world. Nothing of significance can be beyond your possession or jurisdiction. The movie claims more than 60 years in the making toward this one world order managed by international banking systems, centralized banks

On another note:
I had no idea that the Federal Reserve was a corporation owned by men or that the income tax law was passed illegally to help pay interest earned on money borrowed from them. It's a never ending cycle of debt almost like my mortgage.

A 180,000 loan @ 6% equals 210,000 in interest paid over 30 years.
 Refinance or sell home  5 -10 or 15 years later and lose your interest paid. You start the whole process over barely if at all ahead.

In the year 2026 1/2 my mortgage payment will finally go towards principle and the other 1/2 to interest.

Wasn't there anyone watching out for us?  I don't want to be a slave to the Federal Reserve or have the government keep us in line for them but I don't want to leave either. Hummm, end of game.

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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2007, 03:37:35 AM »
Not only that,

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Conspiracy Theorists Insist Barbaro Still Alive
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WEST GROVE, PA—Rumors and speculation that beloved racehorse Barbaro faked his own death last January in order to start a new life out of the public eye are beginning to surface among equine conspiracy theorists, who refuse to believe the horse would allow himself to be euthanized due to a broken right hind leg and laminitis of the left hoof.

"Barbaro lives," said Raleigh, NC resident and longtime fan Keith Greer, gesturing to the wall of his apartment he has papered with grainy black-and-white images of a horse he identifies as a healthy, fully recovered Barbaro. "These photographs were taken in Maryland on Feb. 11, 2007—precisely two weeks after Barbaro's supposed 'death.' Countless eyewitnesses in the area reported seeing a mysterious horse of Barbaro's size, coloration, and stature galloping freely about the corral with what each one described as a 'joyful gait, save for a suspicious limp in the right hind leg.'"

"This all adds up to one thing: Barbaro is still alive," Greer added. "That was a wax horse in that coffin."

Although most conspiracy theorists agree that Barbaro faked his death, his motives in doing so remain disputed. Some say he fled from increased media attention, while many claim Barbaro feared that he would never be able to live up to his own larger-than-life legend upon his recovery. Still other theories suggest that Barbaro ran off with an unidentified mare to start a family; that he is now roaming the countryside in disguise, mentoring and training troubled colts; and that he was attempting to dodge multiple death threats he received from a deranged Brother Derek fan.

"We do know several things," Greer said, poring over heavily notated New Bolton Veterinary Clinic medical documents. "We know that Barbaro went into the recovery pool Jan. 28 at 5:40 p.m. We know he ate corn and oats at 8:10 p.m. And we are told he was 'euthanized' at 10:30 a.m. the next morning. But! What happened during those 15 hours for which we have no records?"

Ever since the hoax rumors began circulating, hundreds of "Barbaro sightings" have come pouring in from around the nation, as grieving fans report seeing the horse everywhere from a secluded farm in Montana to the Iron Horse Stables in Arkansas to grazing in the backyard of 92-year-old racing enthusiast Ethel Vernon's Knoxville, TN home. Still others in Kentucky say they are woken from sleep on moonless nights by Barbaro's distinctive hoofbeats as he canters the streets outside Churchill Downs, reliving his former glory.

"I was driving near Saratoga Springs the other day, alone, when out of my passenger window I saw Barbaro galloping across an open field," said Davis Hammersly, who was in the crowd at the 2006 Preakness when Barbaro suffered his career-ending injury. "At first I thought I was seeing things, but I'm sure it was him. Same long face, same brown coat, same mane, tail and everything."

"You don't forget a horse like Barbaro," Hammersly added.

"I was at a little eighth-mile track outside of Bakersfield when a big brown 3-year-old won by nine lengths despite a hitch in his gait," said career horseplayer David Carnell. "Won big, too. I thought I'd found the next Barbaro. But the more I think about it, there's no way it was anyone else but Barbaro himself."

"I saw Barbaro in the parking lot at the mall," said 11-year-old New Hampshire resident Kimberly Drexel. "He was hiding behind a big car. I went to tell my mom, but then he was gone."

Many believers have begun searching for "clues" left behind by the former Kentucky Derby winner, with many agreeing that Barbaro's alleged method of death—euthanasia—provides the most striking evidence that his death was a hoax.

"How are we being led to believe that Barbaro—who fought so valiantly through all those injuries for eight months—suddenly just 'gave up' and allowed himself to be euthanized?" said Harry Matheson, author of The Barbaro Conundrum. "Barbaro would never die like that, and everybody knows it, and it's ludicrous to think that we would simply accept that he did."

On Tuesday, University of Pennsylvania criminologists, acting on a public petition, entered photos of Barbaro taken at the New Bolton Clinic only hours before his death into special face-aging software to determine what Barbaro would look like after two months. Results showed a remarkably similar-looking horse with a slightly longer mane.

Matheson has documented several other clues, including a leg cast found outside the home of Barbaro's trainer Michael Matz, his sire Dynaformer's continuing silence concerning the incident, and—perhaps most peculiar—the fact that just one day after his alleged death, a brown horse with a slight limp boarded a double-decker cattle trailer in Pennsylvania under the assumed name of "Serendipitous," an alias Barbaro reportedly used several times when checking into stables on the road.

"A surveillance camera at Lael Stables in West Grove, PA captured a brief image of a horse entering Barbaro's childhood stall at midnight on March 5, 2007," Matheson said as the two-second clip played on a continuous loop behind him. "The next day, there were fresh hoofprints in the mud, and the hay had been strewn about. He clearly came back for something. But what?"

Despite the legions of fans who now believe Barbaro is alive and well somewhere in the U.S., others within the horse-racing community are quick to dismiss the theory, claiming that Barbaro was in fact assassinated after the Kentucky Derby, that the horse who raced in his place at the Preakness was an imposter, and that Barbaro's injury was staged by the government as part of a massive cover-up to divert the nation's attention from crucial domestic issues and the war in Iraq.
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2007, 05:47:42 AM »
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A 180,000 loan @ 6% equals 210,000 in interest paid over 30 years.
Refinance or sell home 5 -10 or 15 years later and lose your interest paid. You start the whole process over barely if at all ahead.

In the year 2026 1/2 my mortgage payment will finally go towards principle and the other 1/2 to interest.
No problema---save up $180,000 and buy it cash.
SOMEday, I WILL BE one of these evil men, and I will lend you money at.....4 3/4%---(but don't EVER be late:furious )---I will perhaps let you make a pittance cleaning out the stalls of my race horses, whom I visit once a year or so when the Derby comes around. Got to go now, off to sell the new radar system to China that will allow them to see our new F35 fighter (Am alREADY in negotiations with USAF for the F36 fighter which CAN'T bee seen by new radar:aok ) Not to worry, I'm paying for the R&D by shutting down the last 3 factories in the US that make non-lead-based paint and moving them to China--far cheaper to put lead in it. (Soon to open NEW factory to make drug with CURE for disease caused by eating lead-based paint from toys:cool:, which brings to mind a GREAT idea for a new toy line.... ):noid
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Hey A8TOOL
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2007, 09:33:12 AM »
It is an eye opener. I never used to believe in this kind of stuff. But the more I read, and find out, it blows my mind. I have been asleep to the real story. 9/11 just never did sit well with me. I knew something just wasnt right. The more information I took in, I couldnt believe it. Now I do.

Heres a real scary scenario. Just my opinion, based on the conspiracies we have. The worlds resources are finite. Over population is a problem. So in the next few years, cyborgentics is hitting its infancy. The power elite, supposidly are already tampering with genes to make sure theyre offspring will be more powerful, then say common man. Disieses are for the poor. War, and Desiese to keep the population down. unfortuantly the population control this way, is not enough. If the idea of chemtrails is true. And they are spraying. Then we are already being culled. I dont think to the extent, that we will see, if its true. But the sad part is, who gets to decide who lives and dies. Heres a little unknown place. Look up REX-84.
Take all your HIV and other communicable desiesed to these places. Then take the lame, and other sicklies. The ones that society must look after. Basically the people who are or will become a burden of society, and remove them from the planet. Unfortuantly I dont think it will end with these types. Its just Eugentics. Supposidly there are over 600 + concentration camps all over the US, when and if the people actually revolt against what may be coming down the pipe, then it will be far too late. The design has been a long time in the making. Much more then 60 years. The internet, just allowed a collaboration of ideas, that the bigger picture is now coming into focus. Anyway. I apologize for the morbidity of this subject, and hopefully I am wrong, but I really do believe there is an underlying agenda with whats going on in the world. I also am not for the religious zealots, that are interpeting the end of days, and moving us more in that direction to become a self fullfilling prophecy. WHo knows.

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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2007, 09:52:19 AM »
the worlds resources are finite?  what have we run out of exactly?

Here is the deal... no... I am not gonna watch the movie.  

Why?  what is the point?   the "documentary" realm is the realm of the emotional left.. they can say, and do say, anything they want in a movie... if it is proven a total lie later.. well.. who cares?

Even ones that I agree with (few and far between) like the great global warming hoax... you need to not go by the movie but by the facts in em.

I will read anything that is out there on a subject that is important... I will get both sides that way... I can get both sides that way...

Watching leftie rants is painful and time wasting to me... show me the data.

Global warming by man.. algore made a painful to watch documentary and then someone else made "the great global warming hoax"   those are only starting points to get the converstation started.   I did the research on what people were saying ABOUT what was said in the documentaries.

To rely entirely on documentaries and one side of an issue is idiotic.

So.....NO I will not be watching it.

Tell you what... bring up something in the documentary that shocked you that we can discuss.

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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2007, 05:06:09 PM »
>>>>I had no idea that the Federal Reserve was a corporation owned by men or that the income tax law was passed illegally to help pay interest earned on money borrowed from them. It's a never ending cycle of debt <<<<<<



I already did bring up a shocking point to discuss. Unfortunately, trying to do something about it is beyond my peon abilities. Some are trying but without money and support it probably won't get anywhere fast enough to make an impact. Here's a link to who is trying to abolish the Fed.    sorry   ran out of time to look for that link. Found some stuff last night on Wikipedia

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PART 3
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2007, 05:29:13 PM »
LAZ and anyone else that wants to learn more about The Fed and central banks WATCH THIS LAST PART OF MOVIE!  Its all in the first 15 minutes. I'm sure you can take 15 minutes LAZ

Its very informative, using VALID information you can easily find. It starts with Kennedy but that only lasts 2 minutes. From there it's just incredible. It goes through our whole history from Benjiman Franklin to the present.

ITS A must see! Click on link
PART 3 A must see issue
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« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2007, 06:21:40 PM »
So.... no one is required to pay the Federal Income Tax?
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« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2007, 07:06:56 PM »
> The paradox of our time in history is that we have taller buildings but
> shorter tempers, wider Freeways, but narrower viewpoints. We spend more, but
>
> have less, we buy more, but enjoy less. We have bigger houses and smaller
> families, more conveniences, but less time. We have more degrees but less
> sense, more knowledge, but less judgment, more experts, yet more problems,
> more medicine, but less wellness.
>
> We drink too much, smoke too much, spend too recklessly, laugh too little,
> drive too fast, get too angry, stay up too late, get up too tire d, read too
>
> little, watch TV too much, and pray too seldom.
> We have multiplied our possessions, but reduced our values. We talk too
> much, love too seldom, and hate too often.
>
> We've learned how to make a living, but not a life. We've added years to
> life not life to years. We've been all the way to the moon and back, but
> have trouble crossing the street to meet a new neighbor. We conquered outer
> space but not inner space. We've done larger things, but not better things.
>
> We've cleaned up the air, but polluted the soul. We've conquered the atom,
> but not our prejudice. We write more, but learn less. We plan more, but
> accomplish less. We've learned to rush, but not to wait. We build more
> computers to hold more information, to produce more copies than ever, but we
>
> communicate less and less.
>
> These are the times of fast foods and slow digestion, big men and small
> character, steep profits and shallow relationships. These are the days of
> two incomes but more divorce, f ancier houses, but broken homes. These are
> days of quick trips, disposable diapers, throwaway morality, one night
> stands, overweight bodies, and pills that do everything from cheer, to
> quiet, to kill. It is a time when there is much in the showroom window and
> nothing in the stockroom. A time when technology can bring this letter to
> you, and a time when you can choose either to share this insight, or to just
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> hit delete...
> Remember; spend some time with your loved ones, because they are not going
> to be around forever.
>
> Remember, say a kind word to someone who looks up to you in awe, because
> that little person soon will grow up and leave your side.
>
> Remember, to give a warm hug to the one next to you, because that is the
> only treasure you can give with your heart and it doesn't cost a cent.
>
> Remember, to say, "I love you" to your partner and your loved ones, but most
>
> of all mean it. A kiss and an embrace will mend hurt when it comes from deep
>
> inside of you.
>
> Remember to hold hands and cherish the moment for someday that person will
> not be there again.
>
> Give time to love, give time to speak! And give time to share the precious
> thoughts in your mind.
>
> AND ALWAYS REMEMBER:
>
> Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments
> that take our breath away.
> George Carlin
>

i am an artist paint and ink are my tools
words, i am not good at.
  but when i read words like these i have to share.
most of you have called me crazy or a number of other things because i believe the towers where done by OUR government,and i feel the only TRUTH out there is in the bible      
dont listen to when people say " the bible says" read it for yourself.  it tells us every thing we need to know.

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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2007, 08:24:11 PM »
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the worlds resources are finite?  what have we run out of exactly?




If you want to get into specifics a perfect example of the depletion of a natural resource and the direct impact it has on a society, you just need to look at what happened to Easter Island.  I'm sure the original natives thought natural resources were infinite too.

Also, oil is a finite, not an infinite natural resource and will be depleted within this century.


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« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2007, 08:28:36 PM »
The History channel created a program to "Debunk 9/11 Myths." I think I watched it last week, but I digress. On this program, or a more fitting name "show," they had all kinds of experts trying to explain how the towers collapsed because of "weakened steel." Now I do believe that burning jet fuel + debris in offices (desks, chairs, etc) could have weakened the steel enough to cause a collapse as stated as the "official" cause of the collapse by the 9/11 report and these experts. However, seeing this video and then reflecting on the two towers collapsing, and WTC 7, the History Channel show was very 1 sided. The fact that the collapse of WTC 7 not being addressed in the "official" report is actually an admission of foul play. Also not addressed were the pools of molten steel and the fact that from the pictures from ground zero, the steel was cut in a clean diagonal fashion (the same way they demolish old buildings) just sticks out like a sore thumb, if you know what you're looking at. Even if you didn't, something would seem odd with this thick piece of structural steel neatly cut, sticking out in this pile of twisted steel and rebar. But perhaps the most eerie fact provided by the History Channel show, was that days before 9/11. The Twin Towers were completely evacuated, and a government agency was allowed access to the buildings. Their are way too many discrepancies, "omissions", and convenient explanations, to be anything other than a government cover up.
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« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2007, 09:00:34 PM »
They did explain it in that show and in detail but I guess closed minds don't see very well.



WTC 7 Collapse
Claim:
Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one."


Fire Storm: WTC 7 stands amid the rubble of the recently collapsed Twin Towers. Damaged by falling debris, the building then endures a fire that rages for hours. Experts say this combination, not a demolition-style implosion, led to the roofline "kink" that signals WTC 7's progressive collapse.

FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom — approximately 10 stories — about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors — along with the building's unusual construction — were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.


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Anymore 9/11 conspiracy crap you'd like me to debunk?


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« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2007, 09:00:52 PM »
That 9/11 show was stupid...

I will give one point....   that of melting steel......    Steel didn't melt...it melts at something around 2800 deg F.

What they sorta kinda tried to say in rebuttal was that steel gets weak at temperature...

HEre are the facts...

Up to 650 deg f, carbon steel (as used in structures) has about 100% of its strength.

Above 800 or 900 deg F, it starts losing strength at a fast rate.  At 1500 degress F, it has a fraction of its strength.  Once heated above 1000 degrees, the factor of safety was exceeded, causing the collapse.  

No one competent ever said the towers fell because steel collapsed.  They fell because the steel lost strength at temperature.

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« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2007, 09:04:39 PM »
Why does anyone pay attention to an obvious Shades account?

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« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2007, 09:16:34 PM »
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However the War On Terror started its become clear that it will be the longest war ever fought.


Longer than the 100 yrs war?  wow.

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Incredibly, a handful of men can bring billions to their knees. If you control money, you control the world.
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I just knew Bill Gates was satan.  Now the friggin windows problems makes sense.

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On another note:
I had no idea that the Federal Reserve was a corporation owned by men or that the income tax law was passed illegally to help pay interest earned on money borrowed from them. It's a never ending cycle of debt almost like my mortgage.
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A corporation who's leadership is appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.  It was established by an act of Congress, not just a few people filling out some forms and incorporating in Delaware like a private corporation does.

Congress requires that nationally chartered banks be members and stake holders in the Fed.  You want your bank to have FDIC insurance? Then you are required to be a member of the Fed.

The Fed is now 95 years old and it has been amended by nearly 200 subsequent acts of Congress.  The Fed was started in 1913, the Income Tax (16th amendment) was ratified in 1911.

So Income tax was first the Fed second.

So... Income Tax was passed... to pay off the intrest... on non existant loans... from a non existant bank...

That sounds like typical government.  And it sounds like you better be more concerned about the Barbaro conspiracy.
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