Originally posted by lazs2
the problem you surrendermonkeys are really having is that the troops that you "support" with all your weeping and hand wringing....
Don't want your brand of support. they think they can get the job done and they want to stay.
Your idea of "support" is to stab em in the back...
Your idea of compassion is to run away and let the good people in iraq be enslaved and slaughtered.
I keep wondering... other than making bush and republicans look bad and saving the election for democrats and... giving the democrats more money to waste....
What good will running away do again?
lazs
You guys use the same pat phrases all the time "surrender monkeys", "cut and run", bla bla bla..... Think of something better and more creative will you?? Neither of which i am btw if you read some of my earlier posts. We can't leave now the mess has been started. But if you think if we stay there for another 5 years, 6 years 10 years that that is going to wipe out terrorism you are seriously mistaken. You guys sound like little children sometimes ridiculing another kid because he's leaving and is too smart to play your game. Here's the point ... It's not worth it to continue doing something that is a flawed position in the beginning. I don't call that surrendoring, running whatever, i call it being smart. If somethings not worth it, attack it from a different angle, reconsider, make a different plan of action. But for god's sake don't keep beating you head into the wall. The reason Iraq will never work are these main points, i've covered many times. If you can't understand this i don't get it.
1. The U.S. Army is not anonymous, the terrorists are.
To continue down that road would be foolhardy.
2. The terrorist are way too hard to identify.
You could stay in Iraq for ten years and still not have an idea how, when and who your dealing with. Those are three of the most
important answers for an army to know to be at all effective and not be just a target.
3. The people there hate us.
You can't be in a situation where your in a country of people who hate you and everywhere you turn, you don't know if someone is your friend or foe. The conventional army needs a starting line to base it's operations and attacks. In Iraq there isn't one. (Reminds me of another war)
4. The terrorist are not playing our game.
So why do we insist on playing our same game, gotta change it up and adapt to be successful. This does not mean spinning our wheels in Iraq forever. You must know who your enemy is to be able to aim at him and kill. Spraying aimlessly at who you
think might be a terrorist ain't gonna do it.
The terrorists planting a road bomb and driving off only to have some hapless army unit drive over it 3 days later is not an effective or smart way to win a war. Neither is having Muhammed grab a RPG or AK, pop off a few rounds drop the gun and blend into the population as the soldiers stand around dumbfounded and dying while the terrorists keep ambushing them and the soldiers can't mount a major offensive a good idea. This keeps our army off balance. The middle east is so crazy those people will always either be too scared to identify him or either are quietly against us so they won't identify him a good idea. Us "surrender monkeys" think to keep doing so is ludicrous.
Vietnam was a waste of lives so is this. As juxtaposition WW2, the cival war was not. For the reason that those wars were fought against a readily identifiable enemy, for a logically achievable goal, who had tanks, aircraft, artillery soldiers, industry, etc. Our army is matched to fight those types of wars, not this. To keep our soldiers in Iraq getting slapped in the face by almost invisable terrorists for any longer than they have to, is a diservice too their service.
Too "surrender" to such a thing is not "surrender" in my book. It is smart and wise strategy. Any smart military commander knows that to keep soldiers in a muck and mire situation, is not a good and effective use of their efforts and retreat and surrender in lew of the formulation of a different plan to adapt to a situation is a good idea.
