The Dixie Chicks should be President

[BBBB]

Originally posted by LEADPIG
Let me guess you guys like the idea of soldiers dieing in something, which was in a state of diminishing returns from whence it started. You guys like soldiers being sent into battle with their hands tied behind their backs, and sent on a wild goose chase looking for terrorist in a land from whence you can't distinguish the enemy untill after THEY have attacked the troops. That's a mighty bad way to win anything. Say it ain't so.
 

 Have you been to Afghanistan or Iraq? If not then you need to shut your pie hole. Our hands are not tied behind our backs, we were not sent into battle simply to die. I will admit, there have been some mistakes made in our mission planning, but a good number of the people over in Iraq and Afghanistan are glad we are there.

 The people over there have had to live though oppression, torture and fear. Until you have seen these horrors with your own two eyes and have had boots on the ground I would suggest you stop talking over your pay grade.  

 The fact you used a celebrity as your ammo tells me you are a beer or two short of a six pack. Celebrities live in a box. They are artist. They see the world differently. For most of them everything is neat and clean. All the worlds questions have answers. All the worlds illnesses have cures. Those of us who reside in the real world know not every question has an answer and not everyone can be saved. It is the way of life.

 So please get off the ride and join us in the real world. I am not saying you can't or shouldn't be anti-war. Just have some clue about what it is you are talking about before you go spouting off nonsense and making yourself look like a *******.  For the record.


-CW2 J. Wells
 D-1/7 Aircav
 US Army  
 AKA: Spot

[Yknurd]

Bravo BBBB!

Well said (or typed) mate!

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by lazs2


1.    you have no answer... you only want to leave because...well... who knows?

2.    I have told you that to send smart bombs or groups of special forces would not work.. that the new york times and cnn would be calling us murdering barbarians every day... worse than now even..

3.    you simply have no solution...

4.    I have talked to dozens of soldiers who have been there.. some for two or more tours and that is where I get my opinion...

5.    I have heard you claim that I need to get off my fat butt while you rack up 70 hours a month playing AH.   But then...you are simply improving your hand and eye co-ordination so that.... someday... if you ever decide to go outside... you will be a wiz at all sorts of sports and skilzzz.

lazs

1.     I haven't voiced my opinion about this thing much in the last 4 years to anyone.  I was giving it time.  There has been time, and the only thing that will save that mess, is to have some form of government in place and a police/army under its control.  That looks like it will not happen, or at least it hasn't happened yet, this is from Crocker.   I do not have to give an answer, it is not my job to make policy for the united states in IRAQ, it is my job as a citizen to question my government when it sends our troops into an area without a good plan for success.

2.     see webster's- covert

3.     Again, it is not my job to make US policy for IRAQ, it is my job to question my government when it sends troops into harms way without a plan for success.

4.    The soldiers I have talked to call it a hellhole with no winnable solution,  although they are proud of what they did over there, they do not see it in a positive light like you have described.  Not one I know wants to go back, basically saying to me that they feel very vulnerable ("like sitting gucks")and cannot trust any IRAQi's they see on the street.  

5.     Sorry if I touched a nerve with the fatarse statement.   I apologize.

[lazs2]

skyrock... again... you have no answer.   Sooo... so far as you know... we are doing the best thing we can do right now.. so far as you know Petreaus is doing the best job that can be done.  you have set a personal timetable and now you think.... what?  what do you think?

Covert?  pull all the troops out and do it all covert?   covert without a base of operations and support is jimmy carter sending in the troops for the iran  hostage rescue... name any country who has success with large scale covert operations of this scale... silly...

covert is a non answer.

So what DO you want?  you are either unable or unwilling to say.. that is what bothers me.. "pull all the troops out" is not a solution... I say it will cause uspeakable carnage and... well.. who gives a crap about "face"... it is not loss of face that it will cause so much as embolden terrorists... all they got to do is survive 4 years or so and "americans" like skyrock and ledpig will fold like a cheap card table under a fat lady and abandon their troops and generals.

you don't have to defeat the Americans soldier..the troops... you just have to defeat the likes of skyrock and ledpig...  

BBBB sounds exactly like the soldiers I talk to....  maybe they are not in the vast majority as they claim but how is your info any better?    I don't think the likes of BBBB feel any real "support" from you guys.

As for the fat butt thing... I was not offended... how could I be at 6' and 180 and being called too skinny all my life... I just thought it ironic that someone who spent so much time in AH would call anyone a fat butt.

lazs

[john9001]

BBBB

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by BBBB
Have you been to Afghanistan or Iraq? If not then you need to shut your pie hole. Our hands are not tied behind our backs, we were not sent into battle simply to die. I will admit, there have been some mistakes made in our mission planning, but a good number of the people over in Iraq and Afghanistan are glad we are there.

 The people over there have had to live though oppression, torture and fear. Until you have seen these horrors with your own two eyes and have had boots on the ground I would suggest you stop talking over your pay grade.  

 The fact you used a celebrity as your ammo tells me you are a beer or two short of a six pack. Celebrities live in a box. They are artist. They see the world differently. For most of them everything is neat and clean. All the worlds questions have answers. All the worlds illnesses have cures. Those of us who reside in the real world know not every question has an answer and not everyone can be saved. It is the way of life.

 So please get off the ride and join us in the real world. I am not saying you can't or shouldn't be anti-war. Just have some clue about what it is you are talking about before you go spouting off nonsense and making yourself look like a *******.  For the record.


-CW2 J. Wells
 D-1/7 Aircav
 US Army  
 AKA: Spot

First off buddy you don't have to jump off a bridge or take drugs to know your gonna die, so don't gimme that, you haven't been there line. Your hands are very well tied behind your backs because the terrorist have quite a bit of an advantage in where they're fighting, and knowing who there fighting. It's mighty hard for soldiers to identify who's going to kill them when they're wearing jeans, and t-shirts like everyone else. If you don't get that fact then your an idiot. Another thing, it is not our business as Americans to go anywhere and clean up anyone else's mess for them. So i don't care what atrocities are going on over there it's not our problem. America and it's army is not the world's police force, it is to be used for America's protection of land people and resources. Also if you think i'm suggesting that the Dixie Chicks should be president your talking above your pay grade because you obviously lack the intelligence to tell sarcasm when you see it. (I've explaned this for the seventh time so you obviously need to listen instead of telling everbody else what their opinions and motives are, arrogance and ignorance cause that.) To counter your opinons about what the soldiers think i've heard many of them tell me it was fubar and it really dosen't matter what they think because a good soldier raises his hand in salute and goes on and follows orders. I'm more concerned with what their leaders think because they're the ones leading them. If you don't think i know what i'm talking about then your quite a bit fubar'ed, all of the things i've mentioned are happening in varying degrees along with the positive things, the media is reporting alot of the negatives, but all you have to do is have eyes and ears in this world to smell what's going on. As far as me sounding like a democratic soundbite you sound like a rebublican ventriliquist dummy and i wonder just which orrifice "The Elephant" has his hand stuck up anyway. Oh, perhaps he should stick it in your piehole as you so eloquently said.

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
It's Skyrock and  I

Maybe you should wipe your mouth with toilet paper, your brain is running diarhea... Holding My Groin

[SkyRock]

Originally posted by lazs2
skyrock... again... you have no answer.   Sooo... so far as you know... we are doing the best thing we can do right now.. so far as you know Petreaus is doing the best job that can be done.  you have set a personal timetable and now you think.... what?  what do you think?

Covert?  pull all the troops out and do it all covert?   covert without a base of operations and support is jimmy carter sending in the troops for the iran  hostage rescue... name any country who has success with large scale covert operations of this scale... silly...

covert is a non answer.

So what DO you want?  you are either unable or unwilling to say.. that is what bothers me.. "pull all the troops out" is not a solution... I say it will cause uspeakable carnage and... well.. who gives a crap about "face"... it is not loss of face that it will cause so much as embolden terrorists... all they got to do is survive 4 years or so and "americans" like skyrock and ledpig will fold like a cheap card table under a fat lady and abandon their troops and generals.

you don't have to defeat the Americans soldier..the troops... you just have to defeat the likes of skyrock and ledpig...  

BBBB sounds exactly like the soldiers I talk to....  maybe they are not in the vast majority as they claim but how is your info any better?    I don't think the likes of BBBB feel any real "support" from you guys.

As for the fat butt thing... I was not offended... how could I be at 6' and 180 and being called too skinny all my life... I just thought it ironic that someone who spent so much time in AH would call anyone a fat butt.

lazs

What I don't understand is that you don't quite get it that majority of americans want out of IRAQ, they don't like the way our boys are getting killed.  We're policing the country when that is not our job and noone would have agreed to go in if this is what they knew would have been the outcome.  Until we showed up, there was nothing in IRAQ worth any value in our war on terror.  There were many, many other targets that needed taken out first, but somehow we are in IRAQ policing a state.  Because of that blunder we are put in a precarious position where there are not many good outcomes.  

Now, I actually do not think pulling all the troops out is a good idea.  I know that we have to do it very intellegently and need an objective to be accomplished so that we leave having attained the objective.  If the objective is to have a democratically run government, the future does not look good for that being accomplished.  Maybe once we reach a magic number of trained IRAQi troops and police, then we can leave as winners.  Like I said, it's not my job to have a solution as I am not a policy maker, it is my right to question my government though.  

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by lazs2
skyrock... again... you have no answer.   Sooo... so far as you know... we are doing the best thing we can do right now.. so far as you know Petreaus is doing the best job that can be done.  you have set a personal timetable and now you think.... what?  what do you think?

Covert?  pull all the troops out and do it all covert?   covert without a base of operations and support is jimmy carter sending in the troops for the iran  hostage rescue... name any country who has success with large scale covert operations of this scale... silly...

covert is a non answer.

So what DO you want?  you are either unable or unwilling to say.. that is what bothers me.. "pull all the troops out" is not a solution... I say it will cause uspeakable carnage and... well.. who gives a crap about "face"... it is not loss of face that it will cause so much as embolden terrorists... all they got to do is survive 4 years or so and "americans" like skyrock and ledpig will fold like a cheap card table under a fat lady and abandon their troops and generals.

you don't have to defeat the Americans soldier..the troops... you just have to defeat the likes of skyrock and ledpig...  

BBBB sounds exactly like the soldiers I talk to....  maybe they are not in the vast majority as they claim but how is your info any better?    I don't think the likes of BBBB feel any real "support" from you guys.

As for the fat butt thing... I was not offended... how could I be at 6' and 180 and being called too skinny all my life... I just thought it ironic that someone who spent so much time in AH would call anyone a fat butt.

lazs

You can't pull the troops out now Lasz it's already done, the ****s hit the fan. But i'd like to not see them grinding in that religious, sectarian, hate fueled, cess pool any longer than they have too. Too do so would be like fighting the hurricane fron the eye of the storm. I'd rather fly weather watcher aircraft through it to spy on what thier doing and screw them up from the inside. Terrorist are sneaky, and they need to be fought that way. To come at them the way we been coming amounts to trying to beat a train across the tracks and hoping you won't get hurt in a good way. You sound like the guys who insist the drug war is going along nicely, arresting addicts on the street and small time sellers. You need to go after the drug lords themselves and disrupt teir operations and the profitability for what their doing. So keep putting a band-aid on it in Iraq if you want, go ahead die if you want to, see if it helps.

[john9001]

leadpig and skyrock, spokesmen for al qaeda.

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by john9001
leadpig and skyrock, spokesmen for al qaeda.

Your moronic idiocy in realizing the dynamics of a ever pervading, rote, monotonous, rhetorical, sitution we are currently in, in Iraq is helping them more.

Another thing don't asume or imply that i support Al Queida, keep it for yourself. Speak for yourself and please make a point to me about what you believe or think before you pick apart my statements and throw words in my mouth, which is all you seem to do. Make a point or go home.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by LEADPIG
Maybe you should wipe your mouth with toilet paper, your brain is running diarhea... Holding My Groin

So you think that, "So far me is the one getting called stupid." is correct?

Or maybe you can't take a joke, or you like posting when you have nothing to say?

[john9001]

leadpig, you can call me all the names you want, i am not going away.

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So you think that, "So far me is the one getting called stupid." is correct?

Or maybe you can't take a joke, or you like posting when you have nothing to say?

Speak and you shall get spoken to the way you spoke in the beginning. If you and John were making jokes however i honestly apologize. It is hard to tell implied statements over the internet without facial gestures, body postures and speach inflections. So if you were kidding i am sorry Sir. S!

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by john9001
leadpig has no idea what is going on in Iraq, all he knows is what CNN and MSNBC and the democrats have told him.

I've never been to iraq.  I don't know what's going on there.  You don't know what's going on there either.  My buddy, who left both his legs there, knows what's going on in iraq.  His exact word.. "Quagmire."  I'll go along with his opinion.

Also, the woundings of our soldiers there are going horrendously under- reported.  Straight from someone who just got back.