Author Topic: Italian WWII Aircraft (plus) videos (Read 1158 times)

TDeacon · « **on:** September 05, 2007, 09:15:24 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv7P4eJ0V-E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5SUrzIEYHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cl69qp5O78

EagleDNY · « **Reply #1 on:** September 06, 2007, 10:46:28 AM »

Odd - if you look at the beginning of the first video, that C.202 has a hole in the spinner that looks like a hub mounted 20mm. Somebody else take a look. Any other reason for there to be a hole in the spinner?

EagleDNY

Gianlupo · « **Reply #2 on:** September 07, 2007, 07:23:41 AM »

Deacon, thank you very much for the links, really interesting.

Eagle, all the 202s and 205s have that hole, but it's not for the cannon. Honestly I don't know why the spinner was made like that, I guess they fixed it to the hub via that hole?

Gatt, where are you?

EDIT: OMG! I just finished watching them all. Amazing!

Rare footage of a C.200 of first series with the closed cockpit.... Italian Stukas... Fiat BR.20... fighters strafing Tobruk (in the second one).... torpedoes against a British convoy headed to Malta! Great stuff!

And the speaker who call the Spitfires "Sputafuoco"... the literal translation in Italian (you couldn't use foreign words in Italy during fascism... just like in France now!

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I guess they are taken from the Istituto Luce archive... there you'll find a lot of this movies, you just have to register to the site, it's for free. Unfortunately, the site is in Italian only (we're just like the French!

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ArchivioLuce

croduh · « **Reply #3 on:** September 09, 2007, 12:22:05 PM »

Great videos!

waystin2 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 16, 2007, 09:52:01 AM »

Great archival footage! We truly need to fill out the Italian AH selection.

gatt · « **Reply #5 on:** September 20, 2007, 02:59:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Gianlupo

Gatt, where are you?

Oh, just lurking around .... hmmm, maybe I'll get back to AH2 for a month. Wife is away for some weeks

Gianlupo · « **Reply #6 on:** September 20, 2007, 05:13:44 PM »

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Originally posted by gatt
Oh, just lurking around .... hmmm, maybe I'll get back to AH2 for a month. Wife is away for some weeks

WOOOOH OOOOOOHHH!

Laciner · « **Reply #7 on:** September 20, 2007, 05:20:50 PM »

"Odd - if you look at the beginning of the first video, that C.202 has a hole in the spinner that looks like a hub mounted 20mm."

This page here has some pictures, and a cutaway of the nose, although it's not very detailed:
http://digilander.libero.it/enniotarantola/TarantolaVelC202Photofile.htm

I'm not really sure how to interpret it, but there doesn't seem to be room for a cannon. Wikipedia suggests that the first C.205 prototype had a hub-mounted gun, but Wikipedia is Wikipedia. Perhaps the hole it helped cool the engine. Perhaps it was used to store sandwiches.

I've always been fascinated with the way that the 202 and its forebears had asymmetrical wings, to cope with the torque - the left wing was longer than the right. It sounds very clever, but I have never heard of another aircraft using the design; was it unsound?

Gianlupo · « **Reply #8 on:** September 20, 2007, 06:03:20 PM »

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Originally posted by Laciner
Wikipedia suggests that the first C.205 prototype had a hub-mounted gun, but Wikipedia is Wikipedia.

It wasn't the 205 we have in the game, Laciner. We have the C.205V Veltro that is, basically, just the 202 airframe with a new engine, the DB 605 (the Italian license built one) and new armament: it was designed as a quick upgrade, while the design that would have been the final evolution of Castoldi's fighters was the C.205N Orione, the one who was tested against the G.55 and the Re.2005. Only 2 prototypes of the N were built and it was designed to mount the standard armament of the so called "Serie 5" of italian fighters, 2 12.7mm MGs and 3 20mm cannons, one of which nose mounted.

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I've always been fascinated with the way that the 202 and its forebears had asymmetrical wings, to cope with the torque - the left wing was longer than the right. It sounds very clever, but I have never heard of another aircraft using the design; was it unsound?

Yep, it was a clever solution. I don't know of any other plane designed in that way, is there anyone that can tell us more?

MjTalon · « **Reply #9 on:** September 20, 2007, 06:38:28 PM »

good vids

gatt · « **Reply #10 on:** September 21, 2007, 11:15:18 AM »

Hello Gian,

the N type tested at Guidonia during february 1943, against the Luftwaffe fighters, was a 4x12,7 (in the upper and lower nose) and 1x20mm armed aircraft.

Gianlupo · « **Reply #11 on:** September 21, 2007, 11:33:51 AM »

Yep, I know. Sorry I didn't mean that when I wrote that piece, I just meant to say that the N was the version Castoldi wanted to partecipate to the trial.

Btw, Gatt, can you answer the initial question?

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Odd - if you look at the beginning of the first video, that C.202 has a hole in the spinner that looks like a hub mounted 20mm. Somebody else take a look. Any other reason for there to be a hole in the spinner?

EDIT: Btw, I didn't say "tested against the Luftwaffe fighters"... you misread my mis explained post!

gatt · « **Reply #12 on:** September 21, 2007, 05:23:18 PM »

Ah, ok

BTW, AFAIK theres no apparent reason for the spinner's hole in the C.202 even if the engine is able to mount a hub cannon barrel indeed.

Treize69 · « **Reply #13 on:** September 22, 2007, 12:22:56 PM »

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(we're just like the French! )

No, when I run into you in the arenas, I smell pasta, not BO. You're unlike the French there Lupo.

Gianlupo · « **Reply #14 on:** September 22, 2007, 12:54:23 PM »

Nothing better than pasta in the world!

Ok, maybe a pizza!