Author Topic: AvA Vision (Read 2504 times)

Slash27 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 06, 2007, 11:41:18 PM »

How are you offended by what I said? It was not a dig at your ideas or meant as an insult.

evenhaim · « **Reply #16 on:** September 06, 2007, 11:44:32 PM »

(hugs 1cajun)

1cajun · « **Reply #17 on:** September 07, 2007, 12:00:12 AM »

"Being a player run arena, it is up to the players to realize their ideas on how and what they want the AvA to be."

No offense taken, I saw in your avatar that you are an AvA staff member and I thought that maybe this question was directed at the players that have frequented the arena for a longer period of time. I am new here having just come over from warbirds a couple of months ago.

Again, no offense taken.

Slash27 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 07, 2007, 12:03:17 AM »

Well glad to have you Cajun.

And "Staffers" are players too.

Mister Fork · « **Reply #19 on:** September 07, 2007, 12:44:26 AM »

With that in mind cajun, what do you want to see/get out of the AvA as a player? How do you see that in one year, and then in four?

TequilaChaser · « **Reply #20 on:** September 07, 2007, 01:14:09 AM »

I posted in another thread a few mins ago, it is up to the elder players/PEERS to set the tone and game play of this arena.......

basically same principle as humble spoke of regarding another flight sim of long ago.....

berating others, exercising certian gameplay styles and negative ranting will always undermine any progression any player or group of players are trying to obtain for the better of all...

got to weed out the bad seeds if you want to get back to what once was, and to be honest I have no idea on how to accomplish a feat of this nature without public ridicule.....

what I would like to see for the AvsA in a year? everyone getting along and having fun

what I would like to see in 4 years? 4times of my last answer regarding one year..........

if you're not having fun, then why waste your time?

detch01 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 07, 2007, 02:46:00 AM »

I'm tired and in a bad mood so I'll just come to the point:
The source of damn near all the problems in the AvA was something I said way back in 2001 - the weekly setup changes. That one single thing allowed the growth of the "unwritten rules" which pressured out aircraft types, pushed out valid game-play strategies (bombing, taking fields, etc) and turned the AvA into a single concept activity - the 1v1 high-angles dogfight. There is no room in the AvA for coordinated activities, as a matter of fact coordinated activities are not only frowned upon they are actively whined and verbally attacked when they happen. There isn't a single thing in the AvA that will interest or hold a squadron and squadrons are where the real population lives.
You aren't going to get rid of the unwritten rules or the pressures to keep aircraft and game-play strategies out of the AvA until you attrack enough squadrons to muscle them out. And you won't get squadrons interested if the setup changes every week.
I've played the AvA off and on since I came to AH and a lot of strategies have been tried to bring in a bigger crowd and not one of them worked because not one of them even attempted to tackle the primary problem.
If you want to increase the population in the AvA give people something to sink their teeth into. Give them something they can get into and then let them get in and stay in for awhile. If you pick a popular AO and era you'll build a community out of it. Once you've got the community you can introduce a little variety. After all, you've had variety in the AvA and you can pretty much see where it's got you.

my 0.02

asw

1cajun · « **Reply #22 on:** September 07, 2007, 05:09:58 AM »

As a player, I of course hope to become a better stick and have more things come naturally to me while in a fight.

I would also like to see the trash talkin and belittling of other players on CH200 come to a stop. I too, do this for enjoyment and am too old for this king of the sandbox junk. If I have a good fight - I'm glad, if I lose - then hopefully I learn. But while some like to gloat, I hope they don't think I am losing any sleep. If getting shot down bothered me than obviously wouldn't get in the air.

storch · « **Reply #23 on:** September 07, 2007, 07:47:24 AM »

I couldn't disagree with you more asw (now there's a surprise huh). if the AvA is but a microcosm of the MA then it is redundant and a complete flop.

while some may argue that the AvA is a complete flop now I respond that one man's meat is another man's poison. as an example of how great a place the AvA can be I will use my experience last night.

when I logged on there were about 15 players on, most of them better than average players, one an incredibly smooth and gifted player who I prefer to play against but who usually plays axis.

each side had a marquis player which while well respected within the community their preferred style of play is abhorrent to me and I hold them each in contempt. fortuitously they were on opposing teams and cancelled each other out. the cancellation between these two pretty much left open ground for the low slow fight I generally prefer. and there were more than a few of them.

last night 200 was mostly polite when I logged on and remained so the whole time. If you and others think I'm the problem on 200 I suggest that you treat me the way you would like to be treated and you will have no problems. I seldomly start any of the exchanges but I do respond. having absented myself from the arena for a while what I have sen upon my return was that the place is the same but some of the names have changed. as an example I saw a player which is new to the arena and in my opinion quite skilled get called names by dedalos express his being bothered by this and then log off. I surmise that he smacked dedalos down and received his wrath for it.

there were two guys on the allied team capturing bases so they were useless to allieds. the thing with the base capture in the AvA is not that anyone is against it per se but that if carried out to it's ultimate of winning the war the arena is reset and then may be down for a day or two. this has happened in the past pretty often. say that there is a scenario you particularly enjoy and it's out of play for one or two days because a player won the war. would that bother you a bit? it does me. the other negative aspect is with the arena down for a day or two new players log on find it porked and cannot play. with the other difficulties that this arena has there is really no need for a senseless player generated one. I jealously guard the arena from the war winners for these reasons. I called them on it politely and they did not respond but continued winning the war. luckily they logged off before winning.

to summarize last night for me there were the following.

1. good fights almost non stop
2. minimal 200 guff
3. a very good time

the AvA in my opinion was a resounding success last night inspite of the fact that it was a japanese planeset which I loathe and there were fifteen people on. you can't get the number of challenging fights I had last night in the MA if there were 600 people on because in the MA those 200 people per side are avoiding each other in an effort to win the war. gladly that doesn't happen often in the AvA.

to you new player who may chance upon this long rant. stop in the AvA but bring your fighting gear. if you stay in this arena you will become a better than average cartoon fighter pile-it in a very short time. if you need help ask me I will take the time to teach you as much as I can about the little I know.

dedalos · « **Reply #24 on:** September 07, 2007, 08:35:44 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
as an example I saw a player which is new to the arena and in my opinion quite skilled get called names by dedalos express his being bothered by this and then log off. I surmise that he smacked dedalos down and received his wrath for it.

Could you please quote what I said? I hope you are not talking about the "Sorry, I was getting sleepy" comment are you?

I think thats as bad as I got on 200 this month in there.

But please, do quote what I said or you may receive my wrath for it too

BTW, he died

dedalos · « **Reply #25 on:** September 07, 2007, 08:39:23 AM »

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Originally posted by humble

Personally I think the setup in fine. Icon range isnt ever really an issue if you know your plane and your plan.

Hey humble,

Knowing my plane is no help when dar is not accurate and I cant see where the bad guys are. How can I make a plan like that. The way it is know it only helps the guy coming in late in the fight

storch · « **Reply #26 on:** September 07, 2007, 09:08:21 AM »

I don't know the details ded. but you know how both you and I can be abrasive.

ergRTC · « **Reply #27 on:** September 07, 2007, 09:43:18 AM »

If I remember correctly we stopped base capture ages ago because we would log in and find half the map taken and all we wanted to do was fly not take bases back.

Personally I don't see anything wrong with the current setup. Just need to get used to the 3k thing again but if that changed to 4 it would not bother me at all. Whatever is realistic.

I think the real need is more organized operations. Zeros vs p40s is only real fun when you have 40s intercepting zeros escorting vals etc. BOB is incredibly fun when you get hurries intercepting ju88s (or trying) escorted by 109es. When you get endless 1v1 furballs I think it is a bit one dimensional and the whole point of the AvA setups is to replicate the interactions the planes had historically. The p47 is a fine plane but it is a REALLY fine plane at 30k intercepting enemy interceptors.

Historically the 1v1 was not common in wwII. That was more of a ww1 activity. Many of these planes were never designed to be flown the way we fly them and I think flying them correctly (BnZ, high alt vertical fights, etc) add a great bit of fun to the AvA when you can get them.

Sadly I have not seen this yet in the month or so I have been back. But I am still gaining my feet again so I do not mind.

Also... I really do not think the Ava is broken right now. I think it is just fine the way it is but I am not against change.

dedalos · « **Reply #28 on:** September 07, 2007, 09:44:04 AM »

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Originally posted by storch
I don't know the details ded. but you know how both you and I can be abrasive.

Only to special people like you bud. So this is just another one of your posts spewing out garbage then eh?

Here is what happened. Right after my gear came up, the guy you are talking about shows up 3K over my head and begins to BnZ. I am heading away from the hord so we can have a fight. The ace in question however continues to BnZ taking a shot from 800 out and then climbing back up. This is the same guy that was asking people to get in a spit so he can see how the Ki would do against it. So, after about 10 minutes of this I did warn him that he should either fight or I was going to end it. He continued to shoot from 800 out and climbing up so I finally turned around and gave him a face full of 20s. So, then I typed on 200 "Sorry bud, but I was getting sleepy"

I was. He was boring me to death and I apologized for HOing him.
He came back and cherry picked me several times after that so your theory about him logging is also BS. You know, like your new persona about fighting and posting about good fights. I have yet to see you or your squadies in anything less than 3 vs 1.

He would make a great addition to your squad btw

storch · « **Reply #29 on:** September 07, 2007, 09:48:07 AM »

he was asking and we are considering. ded if there is a continuos furball happening how can you find a 1v1? anyways there is no new persona same guy as always.