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Offline SoulTakr

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« on: September 10, 2007, 09:58:57 AM »
Ok, this might be a couple of stupid questions, but I believe the only stupid question is the one not asked.

Batteries, is it better to put them in the freezer or keep them at room temp?  If it is better to put them in freezer, should I wait until they are at room temp before putting them into devices?

Lately since the kids are getting older they started getting more and more hitech toys that require more batteries than the good old AAAX2.  Now it's 6 AA's here, 8 AAA's there.  So, have been buying in bulk to try and save a little bit of money here and there and would just like to know your views on keeping a battery as fresh as possible.

I'm sure the biggest challenge will be catching them when they are done playing with it to turn it off :)
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2007, 10:14:32 AM »
Putting batteries in the freezer or refrigerator doesn't necessarily prolong their life

Alkaline batteries stored at "room temperature" self discharge at a rate of less than two percent per year.  So normally refrigerating or freezing them will only help maintain their charge by a tiny amount.  Hardly worth the effort of chilling them.  However, if alkaline batteries are stored at higher temperatures they will start to lose capacity much quicker.  At 85 degrees F they only lose about 5% per year, but at 100 degrees they lose 25% per year.  So if you live in a very hot climate or are storing your batteries in a very hot location, it may be worthwhile for you to store your alkaline batteries in a refrigerator instead.

NiMH and NiCd batteries self discharge at a MUCH faster rate than alkaline batteries.  In fact, at "room temperature" (about 70 degrees F) NiMH and NiCD batteries will self discharge a few percent PER DAY.  Storing them at lower temperatures will slow their self discharge rate dramatically.  NiMH batteries stored at freezing will retain over 90% of their charge for  full month. So it might make sense to store them in a freezer.  If you do, it's best to bring them back to room temperature before using them. Even if you don't freeze your NiMH batteries after charging them, you should store them in a cool place to minimize their self discharge
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2007, 10:15:33 AM »
ty sir :aok
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2007, 10:53:06 AM »
If the kids are burning through the batteries so that you are not storing them for 6 months much less 2 or 3 years, fuhgedaboutit. They aren't lasting long enough to be a concern.

On the other hand you might want to look into rechargeable batteries for some of their uses.
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2007, 10:55:50 AM »
If it's yer wifey running thru batteries "hand over fist" then placing them in the freezer may prolong their usage....

There is nothing more frustrating that going thru a whole drawer of discarded batteries to find some that will do the trick.

Women only know two things about batteries... Good ones, Bad ones.

Just remember batteries must be removed from all of the toys first.

Or maybe not.

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2007, 11:05:40 AM »
Here are...Imo the best batteries on the market.....I'm into the R/C thing and these have outlasted any other batteries I have tryed!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Energizer-Industrial-EN-91-AA-Akaline-Batteries-NEW_W0QQitemZ220148109191QQihZ012QQcategoryZ43445QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2007, 11:12:16 AM »
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Here are...Imo the best batteries on the market.....I'm into the R/C thing and these have outlasted any other batteries I have tryed!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Energizer-Industrial-EN-91-AA-Akaline-Batteries-NEW_W0QQitemZ220148109191QQihZ012QQcategoryZ43445QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2007, 12:31:47 PM »
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If it's yer wifey running thru batteries "hand over fist" then placing them in the freezer may prolong their usage....

There is nothing more frustrating that going thru a whole drawer of discarded batteries to find some that will do the trick.

Women only know two things about batteries... Good ones, Bad ones.

Just remember batteries must be removed from all of the toys first.

Or maybe not.

:aok

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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2007, 12:34:12 PM »
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Here are...Imo the best batteries on the market.....I'm into the R/C thing and these have outlasted any other batteries I have tryed!!
http://cgi.ebay.com/100-Energizer-Industrial-EN-91-AA-Akaline-Batteries-NEW_W0QQitemZ220148109191QQihZ012QQcategoryZ43445QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


I jumped on this thread as soon as I could.  As my part time job as I finish out my college career, I have worked at Batteries Plus for a number of years.  As the first part of this thread has been answered I will tackle your post.

Industrial batteries are different.  Yup, the packaging.  They are the same battery as your retail version, just marketed and packaged different for commercial use.  The difference between Rayovac, Energizer, and Duracell is so small its not even funny.  The last 'mah' ratings we were provided with show approximately a 100-200 mah difference between all national brands.  Duracell did have the highest capacity but at what cost?  I highly recommend buying Rayovac for the cost per performance ratio compared to Energizer and Duracell is much better.  

Now if you need batteries that absolutely need to last as long as they can w/o being changed, go with the Duracell Ultra's or their Industrial version if you will, the Duracell Procell.
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2007, 12:39:47 PM »
Oh, and for the love of God, don't solder your batteries together.  I know some folks like to be 'oh I can rebuild my cordless drill pack for a fraction of the cost!'  There's a thin plastic membrane under the positive terminal  on rechargeable Nicd and Nimh cells.  Solder can melt this cap  not allowing your battery to vent properly or vent at all during a charge or discharge cycle.  It's either going to make your batteries crap out after a week, or you might have a nice fire on your hands.

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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2007, 04:30:07 PM »
I want whatever those Mars Rovers are using.  Designed to survive 90 days, going on year 3!

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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2007, 04:57:02 PM »
I had a PFC once, late at night in a M577, bored with nothing to do but visit Darwins Pool.

He hooked 30 9Volt batteries neck to neck... 30 of them. Grabbed a few strands of field wire and from one end to the other tried to touch both wire ends together.

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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2007, 06:07:46 PM »
I don't remember exactly where I read it, I think on my buddies new sony handycam battery...

it said to never keep the battery cold, in fact it said to keep it warm by keeping it in your pocket while carrying it around to use. it said to never let it get below 40 deg F IIRC.

now this is a $100 lithium battery for digital video cameras, and not ordinary alkaline batteries you buy like energizers.


I know also my MP3 player has it's own built in battery, and when the player gets cold it doesn't work from the battery, so there's another example of not letting them get cold.
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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2007, 06:13:04 PM »
Refrigerating them won't hurt.   Freezing might cause some damage.

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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2007, 06:18:21 PM »
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Refrigerating them won't hurt.   Freezing might cause some damage.



Depends on the toy and how fast you can get them reheated.

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