Pack of pit bulls kills two.

[Torque]

Originally posted by Dago
That is pure BS.   The fools who have to buy a Pit Bull to make up for something lacking in themselves always say that.  

Is it really the owners?   Would it be safe to say pit bull owners are tiny donut morons who are trying to prove something by having a "bad-ass dog"?  Smarter people would realize the large number of times this happens really isn't a coincidence.

i'd say the majority of those types acquire a firearm first.

so.... how many you got?

[Jackal1]

Originally posted by AKIron
A law just went into effect a week or two ago in Texas that makes the owner of dog involved in an attack criminally responsible if the owner was negligent in any way. Put a few bozos in prison for 10-20 and some might decide certain breeds aren't worth the risk.

Yea.......good luck with that.
Hunt Co. S.O.`s standard response------> "We do not respond to dog bite calls".
A neighbor was attacked by a Pit that belonged to a moron that wouldn`t keep him up and had been causing trouble for weeks.
S.O. was a no show. Refused to respond. Seen it happen here many times.
BOOM...........good dog.

[lazs2]

I think it is really lame to just say that it is the owner and not the dog.


Of course it is the dog...  an aggressive tiny dog is not too much of a problem... funny thing tho... people who have tiny dogs seem to be more responsible.. the dogs are generally in the house and always watched and the owners watch the dogs..

All large and aggressive dogs are a problem... some breeds are more aggressive than others...  a golden retriever for instance is a big dog but is rarely involved in a biting....  good thing.. it is a large and powerful dog.

The problem is that the owners can't.... not just won't but CAN'T    control the aggressive pit and rot and even sheperd...

Get it?  they can't.   they have a dangerous weapon that they have no control over.... the dogs rarely attack when the owner is even there.

contrast that with firearms... no firearm is "aggressive" and no firearm gets loose on it's own and attacks people.

Even the best large dog owner can't guarentee that his dog won't maul or kill a child when he is not there.

If he takes that chance... if that is a risk he is willing to take... then he should be willing to take the risk of the death penalty for himself.

lazs

[Dago]

Originally posted by Torque
i'd say the majority of those types acquire a firearm first.

so.... how many you got?

Wow, really lacking the perception necessary that you have to go to firearms, that this comes from a Canadian who is subject to very restricted rights on firearms shouldn't come as a surprise.

Here is something to destroy your little jab, most people who own guns don't make a show of it.  Pit bull owners normally do so they can display what bad tulips they are.

I own guns, but I don't show them off, don't as a rule discuss them to non-gun owners, and do not suffer any illusion about them making me a tough guy.  The opposite is the rule for pit bull owners.  With them, its mostly about ego boost.

[lazs2]

as I said... guns don't chew through the fence and attack the neighborhood kids and maul them to death... guns don't come in through the doggy door and attack people in their sleep..

guns have killed many a dog gone feral in a pack... I have shot about a dozen myself.

lazs

[Torque]

Originally posted by Dago
Wow, really lacking the perception necessary that you have to go to firearms, that this comes from a Canadian who is subject to very restricted rights on firearms shouldn't come as a surprise.

Here is something to destroy your little jab, most people who own guns don't make a show of it.  Pit bull owners normally do so they can display what bad tulips they are.

I own guns, but I don't show them off, don't as a rule discuss them to non-gun owners, and do not suffer any illusion about them making me a tough guy.  The opposite is the rule for pit bull owners.  With them, its mostly about ego boost.

dago, you're blaming the wrong bred just like the liberal media is doing.

they... want to sell more toothpaste and tampoons, so... i guess headlines like ' american staffordshire terrier mauls little girl" won't do.

now... if you had written 'american staffordshire' instead of 'pitbull' i would agree with you.

[Dago]

Originally posted by Torque
dago, you're blaming the wrong bred just like the liberal media is doing.

they... want to sell more toothpaste and tampoons, so... i guess headlines like ' american staffordshire terrier mauls little girl" won't do.

now... if you had written 'american staffordshire' instead of 'pitbull' i would agree with you.

Pit bull isn't really even a breed as I am sure you know, but the term pit bull is an encompassing breed association to include  the American Staffordshire Terrier  and Staffordshire Bull Terrier.  Some people will include other breeds with similar features and size in the "pit bull" designation.

I don't that either of these breeds have been shown more or less given to attacks or maulings.  The problem with them is they don't bite and stop, or bite in a manner than doesn't risk lethal injury.  They tend to attack and maul in a continuing manner until either stopped, or the victim is dead.  Not a desirable trait in a dog.

I would like to see the owner of any pit bull who mauls or kills to be prosecuted as if they personally had performed the attack, and manslaughter up to murder be charged when the dog attack results in death.  Maybe then, and only then would the person who think owning one of these dogs makes them appear like badasses rethink the need to boost their self-image in some other manner.  Maybe they could just do like a lot of others and buy a Harley in an attempt to build a self-image?

[cav58d]

For what its worth, earlier this summer I went to visit a friend at rehab during a massive family day picnick (sp) where pets were allowed.  Out of the 50 or so dogs, i'd say 45 were Pitbulls, if that gives any indication to what kind of person buys there dogs....

I think the biggest factor determining whether your pit will be a vicious animal or a friendly pet is in the hands of the owners...That said, i've seen too many friends with what we thought to be "good" pitbulls, raised better than most dogs, turn on humans in an instant and attack...Come to think of it...I've never known a friend who has has a "good" pitbull that unprovoked turns bad, and doesnt attack more than once.  Everyone has had to put them down because multiple attacks, even after the best care for the dogs after the first.

So the owner does have a lot of influence over the dog, but with this breed, and not limited to others, but especially this breed, pits can naturally turn very bad, more so than a lot of other dogs....

And don't give me the "its 100% the owners fault crap".  Do you also blame the parents or guardians of every criminal and drug addict in the world too?

And so its known....I have never owned a pitbull, nor would I ever own one.  Like I said, I have been around them for a while with friends that have owned them, and i'm never comfortable with them.  I've owned GSD's my whole life, and I understand it takes a lot of work by the owners to control big, aggressive dogs, but pits are another story to me.

Good for the people who give them a chance and rescue them from being put down...It really is too bad that the breed has had such a bad rep because of the actions of maybe 25-35% of the dogs....That said, even though the odds are highly against your pitbull ever attacking you or someone else, i'm not ever going to take that risk by allowing one in my home or on my property.

[culero]

Originally posted by Dago
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I once watched a young boy who brought a pit bull to a kids soccer game.  That pit bull tore away from that boy on his own and went after a dog 100 yards away, a dog who wasn't barking, acting aggressive, or for that matter even aware of the pit bull.  The pit bull went into full attack without provocation or suggestion from the "owner".   It is just their nature to do things like that.

I once saw a guy named Gianelli start a fistfight at his kid's Little League game because another parent was cheering against his son's team. Obviously, its just in WOPs' nature to be violent and anti-social, right Dago?

I once saw a guy named Garza drive off without paying after having pumped gas into his car. Obviously, greasers are thieves, right Dago?

I could go on. I hope my point is obvious.

Besides that, you and everyone else who jump into these threads wailing and gnashing teeth about how dangerous pit bulls are by nature are full of hogwash. Its obvious to me that you lack experience with the breed. If you'd ever had experience with a large number of them, you'd also know how full of hogwash the rest of the idiots saying this crap are.

Don't get me wrong. The breed is possessed of physical characteristics that give them the ability to cause great damage if they do become aggressive. They're very strong.

But I owned a collie who broke I don't know how many leashes doing the same thing you described that the pit bull did at the game. He'd immediately charge and engage any other male dog he saw. Duke just thought he was the only dog with a right to contribute to the gene pool

You gonna tell me that's proof that collies are by nature killers?

Doofus, you and the rest. You don't know squat about dogs.

[Dago]

Yes you're right, it's all a lie, everyone is making up all the news reports, the gov't statistics etc. just to pull the biggest lie over on everyone.    

You can deny, imagine, manufacture untruths, whatever you want, the reality is what the reality is.  Pit bulls maul and kill, and they often do it without provocation.  They cannot be guaranteed to not attack, and when they do attack they don't just nip and run.  They maul and kill.

And yes, the majority owners are low life handsomehunkes.

Let's toss one more reality in to get your attention, I don't know what "wops or greasers" do.  I am not Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Mexican etc.  But, feel free to be a racist, it fits the stereotype of a pit bull owner.  

[culero]

Originally posted by Dago
Yes you're right, it's all a lie, everyone is making up all the news reports, the gov't statistics etc. just to pull the biggest lie over on everyone.    

Here's a challenge: reveal exactly what statistics you refer to. Cite references.

Originally posted by Dago
Let's toss one more reality in to get your attention, I don't know what "wops or greasers" do.  I am not Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Mexican etc.  But, feel free to be a racist, it fits the stereotype of a pit bull owner.  

Here's a clue: Find a dictionary and look up "irony".

[Patches1]

I own a Pitt Bull.

She is gentle, and subservient, and will take the smallest morsel I offer her from my own mouth! I've no fear of this.

We play a universal game and say that it is the pilot who makes the difference, not the plane.

The same is true with dogs. Take the time to learn your dog and give it the same discipline, affection, and respect you'd give to any member of your family; do this and you'll not chain your dog, just as you don't chain family members.

[TalonX]

Originally posted by Elfie
From this link: http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

Yes, it does list pit bulls as one the leaders in fatalities and bites. I attribute this to the large number of folks that buy them for the *coolness factor* or because it's a fad. These same folks are not likely to be responsible owners, properly socializing and training the animal.

Here's a good read on why dogs bite.

http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/whybite.html

The percentage of pit bulls in this country is small compared to other breeds.  For them to lead the bite category proves my point.  They have to be statistically far more likely to bite than other breeds, or you'd expect parity with distribution.
Face it, pit bulls are dangerous to others (not the owners to my knowledge).

[AWMac]

Chairboy yer such a frikken left wing watermelon you curl.

Do you REALLY believe the crap you speak?

I met some screwed up bastages but man you have them running.

Seek help.

With Love,

Mac

[Dago]

Originally posted by culero
Here's a challenge: reveal exactly what statistics you refer to. Cite references.

 

Here's a clue: Find a dictionary and look up "irony".

If you had been paying attention to this thread you would have already seen this link with statistics.

Statistic Link


Now, I would suggest you look up "racist" in the dictionary, then look up "irony", as your obvious 8th grade education at Tom Landry Middle School failed to teach you the correct meaning of the terms.  

Now, if you can find google, do your own search for dog  mauling and do your own research.  You might find this:

Dog Bite Fatality Statistics

You will see the statistics show fatalities from dog attack have the pit bull at twice the Rottweiller, 3 times the German Shepard, and infinitely worse than most all other breeds.   And this is despite the fact that there are less pit bulls than the other breeds in our society.

Now, wipe the spittle off your screen, put away the beer, and get a life where you don't need a dog breed to make you feel better about yourself.