Hillary care makes a comeback.........

[myelo]

The reason everyone should have health insurance is because those that do end up paying for those that don't. That's because hospitals, unlike almost any other business, are required to provide services to you when you come into the ED regardless of your ability to pay. So when some drug-seeking loser crackhead drops in complaining of chest pain so he can get drugs, the ED doc has to run a bunch of tests to rule out a heart attack, just in case this is the 1 in a 100 loser crackhead that's actually not lying to him this night. Of course loser has no intention of paying for all of this -- he's got cell phones and hubcaps to pay for -- so guess who foots the bill?

So unless someone has the nuts to reform EMTALA, which requires the hospital to see these patients, and the insane malpractice system that will screw the doc to the wall if he ever missed the 1% of crackheads actually having a heart attack, we might as well at least get more of these losers to pony up for some portion of health care.

(no offense to any of you losers)

[lazs2]

How can anyone say that health care is a "right"?   You are not born with it and it is not something you do for yourself..

It is like saying that it is your right to have everyone else take care of you.

It is neither a right nor a privilege.....   it is earned...  food is not a right or a privilege and neither is housing..  it is earned...

lazs

[Eagler]

Originally posted by myelo
...we might as well at least get more of these losers to pony up for some portion of health care.

(no offense to any of you losers)

the mistake you make here is to think the crackhead or illegal strawberry picker is actually paying taxes in the first place ... either way, the taxpayers are going to pay for the losers care .. I think it is best just the way it is.

[Shuffler]

Originally posted by midnight Target
Good, the health care system in this country needs reform.

At least she's talking about it.

Obama's came out last year.... so did another running for the office. She late and has no idea how to pay for it..... guard your wallet.

[midnight Target]

We rank 24th in the world in terms of healthy life expectancy. This should bother patriotic Americans. It bothers me. We can and should do better.

http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-life.html

"The position of the United States is one of the major surprises of the new rating system," says Christopher Murray, M.D., Ph.D., Director of WHO's Global Programme on Evidence for Health Policy. "Basically, you die earlier and spend more time disabled if you’re an American rather than a member of most other advanced countries."

[Jackal1]

And this cost some high end restaurant the cost of replacing a large dining table.
The old one was worn 1/2 " on the underside from the passing of cash from the lobbyists . Can the b**** get anymore blatant?

[Eagler]

Originally posted by midnight Target
We rank 24th in the world in terms of healthy life expectancy. This should bother patriotic Americans. It bothers me. We can and should do better.

http://www.who.int/inf-pr-2000/en/pr2000-life.html

I do not think that is a reflection on our health system as much as it is a reflection on the non exercising, super sized big mac munching, beer guzzling tub of lard which makes up the average over weight american typical zero self control, over indulgent lifestyle

[myelo]

Originally posted by Eagler
the mistake you make here is to think the crackhead or illegal strawberry picker is actually paying taxes in the first place ... either way, the taxpayers are going to pay for the losers care .. I think it is best just the way it is.

I made no such mistake. Hopefully reading glasses are covered by your health plan.

[TalonX]

She failed at socialism once, but she keeps coming back.

I just can't stand the thought of the Dems taking more of my paycheck.  Fund this with the money the government already has....live within the means, like we have to do.

[Druss]

I wonder if congress and executive branches of gub'mint will be exempt from THIS plan, as they were in the last crack-pot, lets-buy-votes-with-taxpayer-money scam Hillary backed?

Socialism is an insult to the human race.

[AKIron]

Confucius say, "got to have balance". Those who ride free must not have better seat than those who pay. To be otherwise mean those who pay want free ride. Everyone ride free, no one pay. No one pay, no one ride.

[bj229r]

We should trust the government?

Ignoring, whitewashing, and covering up Medicare's true cost is a Washington tradition as old as the program itself. As Sue Blevins recounts in Medicare's Midlife Crisis, prior to its enactment, government officials assured Americans the program's cost would be manageable. Even then, many observers demurred.

One was Barkev Sanders, a statistician who served in a number of positions in government, including chief of the Social Security Administration's Division of Health and Disability Studies, and who was responsible for many of the original Social Security cost estimates. In 1959, Sanders criticized a report by the secretary of Health, Education and Welfare estimating the cost of providing government hospital care to the elderly. Sanders argued the estimate baselessly assumed helpful slowdowns in hospital cost growth. In 1962, he criticized a similar report for making such rosy assumptions it failed to support the claim that government assistance was even needed. In 1964, he again noted that Medicare-cost projections were "far too low" and that the administration "has been concealing the truth by means of its actuarial estimates." Though Sanders did not oppose government financing of health care, he concluded that "if a sound realistic health program cannot be accepted by the public on its merits it should not be imposed on them by the government."

Experience has vindicated Sanders and other critics. Despite official projections in 1965 that hospital insurance under Medicare would cost only $9 billion in 1990, actual spending in 1990 was $66 billion. Medicare payroll taxes are now nearly double what supporters promised would be necessary, having been raised most recently in 1994, and the program consumes a growing share of general revenue.

Medicare's trustees now report the program's already grim financial outlook has deteriorated. According to economists Jagadeesh Gokhale and Kent Smetters, in 2003 the federal government would have had to come up with $31.3 trillion to cover all of Medicare's future deficits. Because we let the problem slide and even added an expensive new benefit, the trustees tell us that in 2004 we would need to come up with $61.3 trillion dollars — right now — to cover all of Medicare's future deficits. That's a financial imbalance roughly six times that of Social Security.

link

[DYNAMITE]

Originally posted by Druss


Socialism is an insult to the human race.

Wow... somebody hates America.

*Clears throat*  I hate to tell you buddy, but you live in a socialist state.  "Pure capitalism" cannot survive.  There is no way around it. To believe otherwise is folly.  

Socialism is why we have the Fed to regulate interest rates so we avoid inflation... socialism is why we have tarrifs to protect native industry... socialism is why we have farm subsidies to keep America's family run farms operating... socialism is why we have Unions and living wages... socialism is why you have more than a snowball's chance in hell to work for a company with your name on it rather than Rockefeller, Geddy, or Carnegie's.

Unchecked capitalism simply cannot exist... it is a fire that consumes all resources until it extinguishes itself after burning all of the oxygen out of the room.

Perhaps you are like the many other people who frequent these boards who don't know the difference between Socialism and Communism?

[AKIron]

Originally posted by DYNAMITE
Wow... somebody hates America.

*Clears throat*  I hate to tell you buddy, but you live in a socialist state.  "Pure capitalism" cannot survive.  There is no way around it. To believe otherwise is folly.  

Socialism is why we have the Fed to regulate interest rates so we avoid inflation... socialism is why we have tarrifs to protect native industry... socialism is why we have farm subsidies to keep America's family run farms operating... socialism is why we have Unions and living wages... socialism is why you have more than a snowball's chance in hell to work for a company with your name on it rather than Rockefeller, Geddy, or Carnegie's.

Unchecked capitalism simply cannot exist... it is a fire that consumes all resources until it extinguishes itself after burning all of the oxygen out of the room.

Perhaps you are like the many other people who frequent these boards who don't know the difference between Socialism and Communism?

I think time is the only difference between the two but I could be wrong. Time will tell.

[DYNAMITE]

Originally posted by AKIron
I think time is the only difference between the two but I could be wrong. Time will tell.

 Fair enough