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Offline IMXLR8N

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« on: September 18, 2007, 11:58:43 PM »
So, I was diggin' through some old air classics my dad gave me a while ago and I was reading an article on Corsairs and Hellcats in the Pacific and I stumbled upon something interesting. A little short blip with 3 whole pics shows a silver Corsair?!?!:O

So, I was considering making a skin for it, but I'd like to find some more documentation. In a search on the internet I turned up nothing but I have some info hoping some of you guys had the scoop.

Plane belonged to the VMF-122
Only markings aside from the Star and Bar insignias are "Sally" and SS11 on both sides. Unfortunately, the Navy didn't use the big tail numbers so I have no idea what the serial number for the plane is to try and look it up on microfische...

Any leads guys? I'll post pics tomorrow if I can get them to come up on the scanner. Also, would I just be wasting my time or do you think people would actually fly it? It looks like it was a combat ship, although clean it does not have cameras and appears to be a F4U-1D.

Thanks in advance.

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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2007, 07:26:16 AM »
I'm not sure about silver Corsairs, but I have a picture of a VMF-122 1A in solid gloss sea blue.



I'll take a look at it and see what I can do.
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2007, 08:28:40 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2007, 11:13:06 PM »
Ooooh, I'm on this!

Edit: A quick early mockup. Needs some work (anti-glare panel too long, mostly, and I can't find a close enough match for the nose art font built-in to Word). Otherwise, just a matter of detail and shading.

May also make her darker overall. Sounds like she's painted up in the aluminum lacquer, or something similar, used by the USN/MC in the 1930s.

« Last Edit: September 20, 2007, 12:13:52 AM by Saxman »
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2007, 12:39:33 AM »
Interesting stuff.  Wonder if it's a combat bird or their "War Weary"  Squadron "Hack".

The red surround and the completely different paint scheme would just be asking for trouble in a combat role I'd think since every other F4U was blue.


Here's a similar example of a NMF early 38 out in the Pacific.  Well kept appearance, but no guns that I can see.  Most Groups or squadrons had such 'hacks" for rat racing or for lack of a better way to say it, errand running.

Wish I could nail down a combat mission for this one too as I'd love a silver 38G

Not trying to rain on your parade, just curious :)

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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2007, 12:51:47 AM »
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Interesting stuff.  Wonder if it's a combat bird or their "War Weary"  Squadron "Hack".

The red surround and the completely different paint scheme would just be asking for trouble in a combat role I'd think since every other F4U was blue.


Here's a similar example of a NMF early 38 out in the Pacific.  Well kept appearance, but no guns that I can see.  Most Groups or squadrons had such 'hacks" for rat racing or for lack of a better way to say it, errand running.

Wish I could nail down a combat mission for this one too as I'd love a silver 38G

Not trying to rain on your parade, just curious :)



looks like the same case here, shame both birds are very nice looking
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2007, 01:51:52 AM »
One point of order with Corsairs out in the SWP, and you can see from the skins I've done so far, is that paint condition (and general cleanliness) varied widely. There would even be some variation in the actual colors, too, depending on the supply chain (see Marine's Dream for an excellent example. Although shipped out in blue-gray over light gray, at some point before she was wrecked her upper wing surfaces had been oversprayed non-specular sea blue, and some sources suggest she had a light gray vertical stab, which is NOT typical for F4Us in the early-war scheme. Note she wrecked in Dec. 1943, well after the Navy officially switched to tri-color, but other than the sea blue overspray on the wings still carried the early-war scheme).

Squadrons like the Jolly Rogers managed to keep their aircraft relatively clean and freshly painted. Then again, you have Marine birds like Vargas Cowgirl and BuNo 17883, which show considerable fading and wear (inner third of Cowgirl's wings have been heavily sand-blasted, and White 883 shows strong discoloration where fuel leakage has eaten away paint along some of the panel edges). For that matter, one Black Sheep (BuNo. 17740, have a partially completed skin I've been fiddling with) even had the OLD roundels without bars top and bottom on its port wing because it was grabbed from another wrecked aircraft, and no one ever bothered repainting it. Some aircraft retained the red surrounds on the roundel well after the switch was made to blue, resulting in new aircraft off the assembly line with blue surrounds, flying alongside other aircraft with the red.

Based on all this, I honestly would not be surprised if some squadron somewhere had an F4U whose paint was in such terrible condition, they decided to just strip it off and be done with it (either due to time, or even lack of paint).

And if it WASN'T ever flown on a combat sortie...not like there's not already historical skins in the game that were never actually flown against an enemy... :noid
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2007, 05:39:40 AM »
Saxman, you know Jeepin said HE was interested in making a skin of that plane, and you waltzed in and started work on it after he was smart enough to ask for backup on whether to do it or not.
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2007, 07:23:36 AM »
No I didn't see that, it looked like he was putting it up to see if someone was interested in doing it. Sorry.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2007, 08:31:58 AM by Saxman »
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2007, 07:49:20 PM »
Well, looks like I got beat to the punch. Kudos to you though. I'm working on lots of other skins and the F4U was gonna be a back burner project once I tracked down some more info. No harm no foul in my eyes though... Great job and far faster than I could have done. Looks awesome and I can't wait to fly it!!!!

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« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2007, 01:31:13 AM »
So this thing get finished yet? I wanna see... I wanna see....

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« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2007, 09:45:54 AM »
She's coming along rather nicely. Working on shading panels right now. I'll try and have some pics this week.
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« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2007, 11:48:27 PM »
Two new pics. The panel shading isn't quite finished yet. I'm skinning it with the tape in place as indicated in one of the photos. The skin immediately underneath also looks in the photos to have been painted in a darker color along the panel seams, which will need to be done, as does the weathering on the glare shield on the port side immediately under the windscreen.



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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2007, 09:01:10 PM »
Awesome... can't wait to fly it!!

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