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Re: pick a side and file to change
« Reply #15 on: September 22, 2007, 01:07:19 AM »
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pond hopping is a problem  thats been around a while
 i feel that if bishop be bishop if knight  be knight and any switches should be atleast48 hr delay or not at all    2 often the cv is the target of pond hoppers


Sorry, I don't want to find myself stuck on a team that is milking the opposition with a 10-1 advantage in players. that's why I am pondhopping a lot in EW&MW arenas.
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Re: Re: pick a side and file to change
« Reply #16 on: September 22, 2007, 01:10:32 AM »
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Sorry, I don't want to find myself stuck on a team that is milking the opposition with a 10-1 advantage in players. that's why I am pondhopping a lot in EW&MW arenas.
so what you trying ta say lol

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Re: Re: Re: pick a side and file to change
« Reply #17 on: September 22, 2007, 01:17:25 AM »
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so what you trying ta say lol


Ok, another more direct approach:

For the very reasons I pointed out in my earlier post, I think your 48 hour no switch proposal is absolute BS.
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« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2007, 01:33:28 AM »
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« Reply #19 on: September 22, 2007, 03:31:22 PM »
If I recall correctly, the Prince of Wales and/or Repulse were hit by level bombers.  G3Ms with elite crews though, and attacking from both high and low levels with bombs and torpedoes.
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« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2007, 05:37:02 PM »
also the 40mm boffers had procsimity fuses not impact :)
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« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2007, 11:17:39 AM »
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also the 40mm boffers had procsimity fuses not impact :)


The WW2 40mm bofors used the mk.27 fuse, which I believe was impact only.   The late war installations also had a radar director (or shared the radar direction of the 5" mounts) to increase their effectiveness.  If you read some of the combat reports from Leyte Gulf, you see that they recommend the development of "influence" fuses for 40mms, but I don't think they did that until postwar.

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« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2007, 01:06:09 PM »
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If I recall correctly, the Prince of Wales and/or Repulse were hit by level bombers.  G3Ms with elite crews though, and attacking from both high and low levels with bombs and torpedoes.


As far as i remember, all but one bomb's hits from level bombers was scored after both ships got numerous torpedo hits.

btw, this battle shows very clearly how ineffective real AA guns was. AA guns in AH absolutelly unrealistic and way way too deadly. But it dont helps, anyway.
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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2007, 01:52:17 PM »
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As far as i remember, all but one bomb's hits from level bombers was scored after both ships got numerous torpedo hits.

btw, this battle shows very clearly how ineffective real AA guns was. AA guns in AH absolutelly unrealistic and way way too deadly. But it dont helps, anyway.


Early AA guns had mechanical fusing - you either had to chop a fuse manually, or you had a mechanical device on the gun that would set the fuse based on the gunsight.  Even this could be effective if you knew the enemy aircraft's altitude (88s were mechanically fused, and they shot down plenty of american bombers).

Even though the Prince of Wales was a "modern" battleship - she was a 1941 model - not a 1944 model.   A lot of progress was made over that 3 years.  By 1944 you have radar direction, height finding radars, and proximity fuses on 5" guns that can actually reach up high enough to hit an incoming bomber.  If you watch films of kamikaze attacks in the pacific, the AAA is murderous - they score some hits, but a whole lot of them get shot down as well.

The AAA on an AH CV group is way too light, and the target selection by the auto-ack is downright silly.  We need many more mannable 5" guns - put 3 mannable twin 5" turrets on each DD and maybe we get something a little more challenging to attack.  

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