Giving blood and....

[wrag]

saliva at a road checkpoint?

Some people claim this happened to em...........


http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57733

and your opinion is requested.............

http://worldnetdaily.com/polls/

[Maverick]

In reading the article it looked like serenity wrote it.

[TalonX]

Random roadblocks, in my opinion, are illegal.   There is no probable cause to search you in any way simply because you pass a road block.

The cause may be noble (finding the DUI's), but the method is abhorrent.  

Don't give up freedom for safety.

[Yknurd]

Yeah!  'Cause I don't want the cops taking my beer!  The pigs!

[Dadano]

I hate world net daily.

[john9001]

"Random roadblocks, in my opinion, are illegal. There is no probable cause to search you in any way simply because you pass a road block."

i agree with that completely, no probable cause.

more and more, this reminds me of black and white WW2 movies where the gestapo randomly stop people to "check their papers".

you don't lose your freedom overnight, you lose it one nibble at a time.

[Yknurd]

Resist!  Revolt!

[Boroda]

Originally posted by john9001
more and more, this reminds me of black and white WW2 movies where the gestapo randomly stop people to "check their papers".

Here in Russia, at least in Msk we carry our passports (domestic passports) with us, you can officially get detained for 3 hours for "identity check" (up to 3 days if you are suspected criminal and up to 30 days if you are suspected terrorist). Another issue is that Militia officially can't just stop you and check your papers, they need a reason like "you look like a wanted criminal", but they usually don't care about reasons, they can always say "he/she looked suspicious".

I look Slavic, not like a Chechen terrorist, so I never get stopped except when I am deadly drunk, but I always carry my passport, just in case. And I need a passport to get a guest pass to some office and govt buildings.

I don't know if they catch any terrorists checking papers, it's more like business, catching illegals and extorting money... All I can say is that I'd vote for keeping this checks. They don't bother me, and they are a good filter for illegals, I mean if they don't have to pay Militia - all Central Asian republics will beg and rob in Moscow, with Caucasian (from Caucasus I mean) gangsters supporting them.

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by Boroda
They don't bother me, and they are a good filter for illegals, I mean if they don't have to pay Militia - all Central Asian republics will beg and rob in Moscow, with Caucasian (from Caucasus I mean) gangsters supporting them.

Caucasian gangsters , like these characters??

[Angus]

Hehe, to think of this, I recall the thread and discussion about the night of broken glass, - the crystal night, - and some Americans promoting the thesis that such a thing could never happen in the USA...the government could never apply strong bonds on such a well armed population...
And Boroda, do you really have to carry your pass at all times to stay out of trouble? Debet card or drivers licence not enough. Sure enough in W-Europe, the people did not have to carry ID for a very long time.

[Boroda]

Originally posted by Angus
And Boroda, do you really have to carry your pass at all times to stay out of trouble? Debet card or drivers licence not enough. Sure enough in W-Europe, the people did not have to carry ID for a very long time.

Usually driver's license issued in Moscow or military ID is enough, but I don't have it, as well as a bank plastic card. I don't drive, don't have a bank account and I skipped military service (studied and then I work in Academy of Science). Now I am 35, you have to serve until you turn 28, I probably need to go to my district military commissariat and get a military ID....

BTW, this paper checks are also used to catch "draft resisters", every autumn or spring Militia specially checks young men.

[Angus]

Ok
Well, I guess that a complete lack of any ID could get you into "trouble" in many places, - "trouble" meaning a time consuming annoyance.
Just came back from a 2000km+ zig-zag through Germany, and I never carried any ID. Just knew where it was.

[Shamus]

Think how smoothly that situation would have gone had all those motorists known or feared that they may be subjected to a good tazering for resiting the police request.

shamus

[Boroda]

Again I got some kind of a deja-vu "upside-down".

Happened just an hour ago.

Went out of the Institute where I work, to the small gate in the fence, my friends brought me a laptop for maintenance. I come to their car, they come out, we shake hands and then there is a Militia (*) car on the pavement, 4 "warriors" come out and ask us for papers. I say I don't have papers with me, they are at work right there, they ask me what I have in my pockets (cellular, cigs, lighter, USB flash drive and half-dozen RJ-45 jacks), it seems to me they were searching for drugs. They spent 10min searching the car (a large SUV), one guy had to explain what kind of pills he has with him, then they said "excuse us", saluted and drove away... One of the guys in a car didn't have papers too, and he's a Belorussian citizen, he could probably have some fun if he had his passport with him, a "union state" my ass...

Militia said they were watching who are people in a car waiting for, and sowed up when I came out. We wished them "good service"...

(*)Militia = Soviet/Russian police.