Author Topic: Don't Tazer Me! (Read 1997 times)

Nomde · « **on:** September 20, 2007, 09:29:23 PM »

September 20, 2007
- Don't Tazer me Bro! In a John Kerry campus meeting, a young man asking Kerry a question became disruptive and was "escorted" out by police. During the process they scuffled and the now famous phase was blurted out ina fit of panic as the young man relized his demise. ROFLMAO, this is a classic

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Masherbrum · « **Reply #1 on:** September 20, 2007, 09:38:59 PM »

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #2 on:** September 20, 2007, 09:51:47 PM »

Actually I saw the video clip.
He didnt become disruptive untill the cops decided they didnt like the questions he was asking and forced him to leave the microphone.
The claim is that he charged the microphone and spoke out of turn.

But I do find it interesting that dispite 3 cops standing next to him. Nobody prevented him from speaking untill he started asking questions of Kerry they (either the cops or someone who was off camera) didnt like. My best guess is somene signaled them to remove him.
Its the only explanation I can think of why they wouldnt act sooner.

IN the cops defence.
He did become disruptive once they started to escort him away from the microphone.

Now whether there were gounds for a tazing is debatable. And I've made my feelings clear in the past that I dont beleive any cops should have tazers.

But while he was resistive. He wasnt being violent in a way that was a threat to the cops.
Now should they have pinned him to the floor and cuffed him?
Possibly.
Tazing Im not so sure.

In the kids defence. Even Kerry himself stated that the kid had raised a very "valid" and important question.

Something about theis whole situation to me seems odd and not kosher.

If as is reported he rushed the microhpone ahead of his turn. Why did the cops wait so long to act dispite standing right next to the mic?

It just seemed to me that everyone was ok with him talking untill he started asking questions eitehr they, or someone else didnt like.
Only then was it a problem.
So the question has to be raised. Was he removed because he was disruptive. (Which to me based on the cops lack of initial reaction to him speaking he wasnt untill they tried to lead him away)
OR was it in reality because someone didnt like the questions?

On the flip side. As soon as he was lead away from the mic. You cna hear the audience applaud.
Now whether they were applauding the sudent being escorted away. Or the student asking the question. Is never explained

The reality shown on the film differs from the way its being reported.

eagl · « **Reply #3 on:** September 20, 2007, 10:51:52 PM »

I watched the *whole* vid and think he got what he deserved.

He wasn't asking a question, he was making a speech.
He violated the known structure of the forum and was asked to leave.
When he was asked to leave (not being arrested, just leave) he started hollering about being arrested.
When security attempted to escort him out, he actively and physically resisted. CNN's video cut out over a minute of video where he is jumping and flailing around, requiring more than 3 security officers to control his violent resistance.

So basically he got tasered for intentionally disrupting an event, refusing to leave, and very actively and physically resisting attempts to get him out the door. They weren't going to arrest him, they just wanted him out because he was being very disruptive. He fought back, so they zapped him.

What the hell did he THINK was going to happen? What a retard. 10-20 years ago, they would have started whacking him with sticks and then he'd really have something to cry about.

I have no sympathy for him. I'd like to taser him again just because it would help the cosmic karma balance.

First amendment rights do not include the obligation of the government or private organizations to provide a forum for your expression of speech. Quite the opposite, his disruption was a violation of the first amendment rights of the event organizers who had set up the event. They set up an event, and he crashed it with the express intent of disrupting it. He got off easy.

Oh yea, and Kerry is a wimp. He's too weak to really stand up for the tasered guy, and too much a politician to stand up for the event organizers who are the ones who really got screwed. He doesn't have a position on the whole thing, and that's the real reason why he didn't get elected last time he ran. People are pretty sure he has no backbone beyond the rubber band necessary for a politician to twist reality into washingtonspeak.

Slash27 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 20, 2007, 11:09:25 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK

But while he was resistive. He wasnt being violent in a way that was a threat to the cops.
Now should they have pinned him to the floor and cuffed him?
Possibly.
Tazing Im not so sure.

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Yes he was violent. He jerked away from the officers and started screaming. He fought to get away from the officers the whole time. I dont know your background DRED, but trying to cuff a person hellbent on preventing it is not as easy at it seems despite the number of officers trying to do it. The taser prevents injuries to the officer and ends the situation quikly.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #5 on:** September 20, 2007, 11:24:17 PM »

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Originally posted by eagl
II have no sympathy for him. I'd like to taser him again just because it would help the cosmic karma balance.

You owe me a new monitor, sir!

Pooh21 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 20, 2007, 11:36:32 PM »

the krazykommies who voted for Kerry are finding out what everyone else already knew about him namely he is a horsefaced chicken**** coward. Apparently they figured he should have stepped down from the podium beat all 5 cops dizzy, hoist whinyboy up on his shoulders and stride forth to the white house all while Singing bits of the Soviet anthem and leinternational, with durka!durka!durka! Allah Akbar! tossed in occasionally and hauled the President out by the scruff of his neck cause he REALLY won in 04:rolleyes: and order White House stationary with his name on it . Even he knows he lost fair in 04 and didnt wish to make a spectacle of himself like the Mexican who tried the I didnt win the election cause they stole it trick last year.

rabbidrabbit · « **Reply #7 on:** September 20, 2007, 11:42:26 PM »

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Nomde · « **Reply #8 on:** September 20, 2007, 11:47:00 PM »

I'm with the Officers on this one. This was obviously a staged event by the guy, and as events unfolded he modified his response to the script.

I believe the officers were notified that this guy had rushed the mic, they initially hesitated in order to organize themselves for the proper level of response. When they got the word to go, they started to remove him. That's when this guy resisted and it progressed from there.

I think had he just walked off with the officers, that would be it. He would have been removed from the event and not been tazed and arrested. I do agree the Tazing at that moment was not needed, he had 6 officers holding him down. In the officer's defense, the guy wouldn't stop struggling. So, had I been there.... I woulda tazed him repeatedly, just for making me grab his sorry ars.

RAIDER14 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 21, 2007, 12:02:03 AM »

The Remix version

Ocean27 · « **Reply #10 on:** September 21, 2007, 05:18:45 AM »

The funny part is that a guy gets tasered for... mouthing off? Still, in a society where old ladies get tasered for sounding the horn in their car, we shouldn't be too surprised. Is it part of that Homeland Security thingie? Can you say "Police State"?

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MiloMorai · « **Reply #11 on:** September 21, 2007, 06:21:11 AM »

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/18/10649/5334

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I was at the Kerry speech today, sitting 2 rows away from all the action. I'll let you know how it really went down.

The forum was going to be over at 2 pm, and Kerry spoke for so long that the Q and A portion had to be shortened. He only got through about 7 of the 50 people who were waiting to ask questions. While the final question was being read, some sweetheartbag ran down the aisle, grabbed the mic from the other side of the room, interrupted the kid who was talking, and started yelling at Kerry, demanding that his questions be heard. He started ranting about how Kerry talks in circles or something, and everyone was getting annoyed. The cops are all over him in no time and try to escort him out, but he starts yelling and resisting. Kerry insists that they let him stay and even agrees to answer his question.

After the interrupted guy's question was answered, Kerry keeps his promise and lets the angry guy talk. This is the point where people started taking their cameras and phones out. All the videos floating around youtube start around here. You can see in the videos that his questioning gets kind of inappropriate, so somebody cut his mic. Instead of shutting up, he starts yelling and making an even bigger scene. He struggled all the way up the aisle, and started violently trying to free himself. They threatened to taze him and he wouldnt stop fighting, so he got tazed. They only had to arrest him because he was causing a disruption and wouldn't leave peacefully. He wasn't being silenced for asking tough questions, trust me.

It's a shame that they had to taze the guy, but he had a chance to calm down and didn't take it. He probably didn't pose a physical threat to anybody in the room, but someone can't just hijack the floor of a forum like that and expect not to get kicked out. This wasn't some poor guy who was brutalized for trying to ask some tough questions. He's just an obnoxious guy who had a fit when there wasn't time for his questions and refused to be calm even when he was given the chance to speak. He was looking for trouble, and everyone applauded when he was forced to leave.

Nothing pisses me off more than hearing stories about power tripping cops abusing their power, unnecessarily tazing or arresting people, etc. It's a huge problem and I'm glad it's being discussed. Just don't mistake this for one of those cases."

It is also said that he had a previous run-in with the cops at the front door.

Sen. Kerry's online communications director
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/18/125041/427

Fishu · « **Reply #12 on:** September 21, 2007, 06:32:33 AM »

He was an ass, but not a threat to anyone. I see tazer more and more used as an utility to punish a person for not doing as told, which is not what it was meant to be. Tazer is a non-lethal self-defence weapon and that's how it should be used!

This guy could been handcuffed and dragged outside with the force of 3, who dragged him to the back only to give shocks first.

Using tazer for other than self-defence is same as giving a non-lethal non-injuring blow to a person if they don't please someone. We can't do that, cops even less with the higher stantards. Why is such use of tazer allowed in circumstances when any other (often less painful) form of violence isn't?

LEADPIG · « **Reply #13 on:** September 21, 2007, 06:56:55 AM »

I agree cops are getting tazer happy and protocol should be enacted to stop it. You should not be tazered for starting a scene, yelling, fighting a little bit, or not eating your vegetables. I can't remember the last time i got in a scuffle and said boy i need to get out the tazer. You might get a scratch, a bruise, some rug rash, even if the guy is resisting arrest and three guys are on him, the tazer should not be used as weapon to make it easier to subdue a guy. Tazing should be used if a guy has a weapon, or intends to do serious bodily harm. It should be one of the last options they have at their disposal before using their firearm.

TalonX · « **Reply #14 on:** September 21, 2007, 07:50:51 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Actually I saw the video clip.
He didnt become disruptive untill the cops decided they didnt like the questions he was asking and forced him to leave the microphone.
The claim is that he charged the microphone and spoke out of turn.

Dred, I think you are wrong here.

Before I start, let me say that Kerry makes my skin crawl, so this is in no way a liberal defense.

This kid took over the mic and started talking...allegedly asking questions. When he suggested the book title, Kerry responded, "I read it". The kid didn't stop for an answer to any question.

The police, acting for the hosts, attempted to remove this punk from the mic. There is no obligation for anyone to allow some dissident to hog the mic and use the forum THEY created to hear Kerry.

Truth is this - the punk's views differ from Kerry's (apparently). He doesn't have the horsepower to create a venue where he can be heard. He tried, and failed, to take over another.

Tazer him, Bro.